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1 posted on 10/16/2010 4:14:12 AM PDT by Doctor13
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To: Doctor13

How do you figure he thought FDR was a “champion of freedom?”


2 posted on 10/16/2010 4:21:51 AM PDT by gusopol3
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IMO ISlam has NEVER— will never and does NOT aspire to being compatible with our American system. The history of that bloody Satanic cult is one of oppression. Montesquieu compared
that system to Christianity and preferred Christ. Our Founders cited only the Bible more often as authority (if one can believe Professor Donald S.Lutz. The goal of Islam is to force
all the world to be as their troglodite mad prophet


3 posted on 10/16/2010 4:40:31 AM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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That debate makes our entire society look like idiots, with Michael Bloomberg, Maureen Dowd, Katie Couric, et al. all thoughtfully holding hands as proverbial “useful idiots.”

Thanks for posting this. I am trying to figure out the libtard obsession with championing all of this muslimania. These people almost conquered, note not persuaded but rather conquered, Vienna for heavens sakes. The same in France. US lefty’s offer them comfort and aid behind battle lines. WTF ? They support nothing we in the west, left or right, support. I can’t find any explanation for it.


5 posted on 10/16/2010 4:43:47 AM PDT by major-pelham
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To: Doctor13

Found it: The Islamic Golden Age!
By Henrik R. Clausen

The Closing of the Muslim MindBook essay: The Closing of the Muslim Mind, by
Robert R. Reilly.

...
Opposition to the idea of Islam being a rational religion, in which Allah is
bound by logic and morality, formed relatively quickly. Al-Ash’ari was the
leading opponent, giving rise to the Asharite school of thought, which by
means of reason seeks to demonstrate that reason is not compatible with
Islam, that reason cannot be used to know the divine, and thus there is no
compelling reason to apply reason to the Quran or other things Islamic. ..

...In 885, the copying of any book on philosophy was banned, and in 892 a
ban on trading books on philosophy, theology and related subjects was
enforced. The Mu’tazilite position was forced underground.

This led to a cascading collapse of reason within Islam. From the demotion
of reason followed the primacy of the will, Allah as unknowable, the loss of
causality, epistemology, objective morality, justice and free will. ..
...The end result being that practically nothing but jurisprudence, in other
words the application of Sharia law, remains a vital and living issue in
Islam....

...
Going to the very roots of this raises philosophical questions, such as “Do
things exists by themselves?” “Are there laws of nature by which Allah is
bound?” “Can there be such a thing as a free will for human beings?” The
extreme view of the Asharites is best illustrated through an example. From
Islam and Science:

Even a speeding arrow may or may not reach its destination, they said,
because at each moment along its path God destroys the world and then
creates it afresh the next moment. Where the arrow will be at the next
moment, given that it was at a particular spot at an earlier moment, cannot
be predicted because it is God alone who knows how the world is to be recreated.

A different fundamentally unscientific nature of this claim is that no way
exists to disprove it. From a Western point of view, this is too hopelessly
absurd to deserve consideration.

Worth noting in context is also the degradation of rationality, in the
Western world (and East Asia) considered fine qualities: By descending into
absolute voluntarism, rationality becomes benign and meaningless.

>From a mainstream Islamic point of view, this world view is a necessity, for
no natural law can be permitted to restrict the Will of Allah.

...
The chaotic worldview is a bad breeding ground for absolute morality, like a
solid concept of private property or the sanctity of life as such, and
provides no philosophical basis for contradicting terrorists such as PLO,
Hamas or Hezbollah, who act in the name of Islam and Allah.

...

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2010/09/found-it-islamic-golden-age.html

[My personal comment: I am only part way through reading this short book. I now know that Islam is theologically hostile (at war really) to personal liberty and property rights, the core political values of the US and the liberal west.

Islam certainly is theologically hostile to the Christian faith. I think these point may explain why Islam and socialists find common cause with each other. For this reason, it would be a grave mistake to allow very many
Muslims to immigrate to the west.]


6 posted on 10/16/2010 4:50:20 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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> There need not be any basic conflict between the Muslim
> world and the West, nor any segregation between them

I must vigorously disagree.

One of these worlds must be destroyed. There can be no peace until that happens.

Japan had to be destroyed before it could be civilized.

Same with Germany.

Same goes for the Islamic Axis.


8 posted on 10/16/2010 4:59:13 AM PDT by Westbrook (Having children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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Christians - Jesus died for me.

Islam - I die for my God and religion ....

You decide which religion promotes, "Peace onto you".

10 posted on 10/16/2010 5:11:38 AM PDT by Jumper
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This was a weird article, because on the one hand, he seemed realistic about the fundamental horrors and errors of Islam; but then all of a sudden he dropped back to the “moderate Muslims” trope that is all we have heard out of our political leaders for decades.

The problem is that Islam is evil at its core, a violent theocratic political system that wants to conquer everything in its path, an anti-intellectual, authoritarian cult that subjects its followers and their societies to misery, oppression and darkness.

Any “moderate” Muslim who accepts Islam also accepts all of this. Perhaps he just hasn’t had the urge to go out and bomb innocents on the subway yet, but this potential is always there, and if not the potential for violence, certainly the potential for support of the oppressive society that would be created after Islam takes over.

I don’t think we have to hunt individual Muslims down and exterminate them, but I do think we have to declare that Islam is simply incompatible with our law and the philosophy behind it. I would suggest that we require a loyalty oath from Muslims, except that lying is a part of their religion so that would be meaningless...however, I do think Islam should be suppressed in this country and most of its foreign-born followers expelled. And there should be relentless opposition to it on every front; for example, there is no way the Ground Zero rabat (a sort of forward base outpost established when Muslims conquer a country) should even have been considered let alone permitted.


14 posted on 10/16/2010 5:29:31 AM PDT by livius
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Christianity is a religion of Love and Forgiveness, and ultimately, Salvation, whereas islam is a cult of sociopathy.

We, who are Christian are at a terrible disadvantage in this world in having to be the Good Guys with all of the self control and moral restraint that puts on us in having to fend off murderous fascists whose own playbook actually encourages its cult members to lie cheat and steal all in the name of their moon god, allah.

And that spills over into our nation as a whole. When we war, we spend billions in treasure to develop weapons to deliver with pin prick accuracy so as to minimize collateral damage and death. The moon warblers are instructed to kill, kill, kill, anything that doesn't shove its ass in the air for allah the head moonbat, and with no regard for the innocent.

Of course, God is the Ultimate Authority over our lives, and are souls will be judged by what we do here on His Earth, but in the meantime, we have to deal with these sand serpents.

How do we save the souls of those poor saps caught up in this fascistic nightmare? Wake them up and turn them into apostates from their satanic slumber?

17 posted on 10/16/2010 5:54:35 AM PDT by InternetTuffGuy
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