What's In a Name? (Vanity)

Vanity | 8/17/10 | Friend

[Yollopoliuhqui]

Satan was known to the ancient Hebrews as "Lightening from Heaven" which later evolved into "Lucifer" or "Light Bearer". Lightening (falling from) Heavens"!? In the New Testament Jesus said it in Luke- I beheld Satan as lightening from heaven, or falling from heaven.

How do those words sound in Hebrew?

> From Strong's Hebrew Dictionary, word number 1299 a primitive root word: lightening, cast forth, falling

BARAQ pronounced BAW-RAWK

And word number 1300, BARAQ, means lightening.

Satan has fallen from the heights or Heavens. The Hebrew word used for heights or heavens is Strong's Hebrew Word 1116. BAM MAH. to be high, heights, heavens.

It is pronounced: BAM-MAW.

The Hebrew U or O, is a conjunction to join words together. So to join in Hebrew the concept of lightening "falling from" heaven or the heights, BARAQ O BAM MAH would mean Lightening from Heaven.

So, if spoken by a Jew back then, "I beheld Satan" would have been- "Baraq O Bammah".

[Charles Henrickson]

The name “Barack” is NOT from “B-R-Q,” “lightning,” but rather from “B-R-K,” “bless.” Two entirely different words in the Hebrew, the last consonant is different.

[Quix]

THX THX.

[philman_36]

The name “Barack” is NOT from “B-R-Q,” “lightning,” but rather from “B-R-K,” “bless.” Two entirely different words in the Hebrew, the last consonant is different.

1288 barak baw-rak' a primitive root; to kneel; by implication to bless God (as an act of adoration), and (vice-versa) man (as a benefit); also (by euphemism) to curse (God or the king, as treason):--X abundantly, X altogether, X at all, blaspheme, bless, congratulate, curse, X greatly, X indeed, kneel (down), praise, salute, X still, thank.

[anniegetyourgun]

The analysis is forced. His first name is common in Arabic - no doubt chosen for him by his Muslim father. His last name is Chadic (of Chad, Kenya, surrounds) from whence his tribe hails. Hence, none of that has to do with Hebrew. (Bamah means high/exalted in Hebrew.)

Don’t concentrate on the counterfeit that Obama is saying/doing - concentrate on what the TRUTH says/does. (Thy Word is Truth - and that’s what matters...and prevails in the end.)

[philman_36]

Go ahead, kneel.

[Charles Henrickson]

none of that has to do with Hebrew.

Whether in Hebrew or in Arabic--both Semitic languages--the root "B-R-K" means "to bless."

[UCANSEE2]

The name “Barack” is NOT from “B-R-Q,” “lightning,” but rather from “B-R-K,” “bless.”

I'll grant you that.

But whose to say what his real name is? Barack, Baraq, Barak , Barry ?

Osama Bin Ladin. Osama Bin Laden. Usama Bin Ladin. Al Queda. Al Quida. Taliban. Taleban. There seems to be a lot of variance in the Americanization of foreign names.

Maybe we could AXE his daddy or momma what the name means?

My guess is it translates into...

"Neither of us wanted this kid so we shoved him off on her parents."

[philman_36]

Whether in Hebrew or in Arabic--both Semitic languages--the root "B-R-K" means "to bless."

With your "given credentials" you should know that where and when the word is used dictates the meaning. And http://jcsm.org/StudyCenter/kjvstrongs/CONHEB128.htm#S1289 shows that 1289 is only used 5 whole times and only in the book of Daniel. (four for blessed, once for kneel)

Dan 2:19-20 Then was the secret revealed unto Daniel in a night vision. Then Daniel blessed the God of heaven.
Daniel answered and said, Blessed be the name of God for ever and ever: for wisdom and might are his...

Dan 3:28 [Then] Nebuchadnezzar spake, and said, Blessed [be] the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego...
Dan 4:34 And at the end of the days I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up mine eyes unto heaven, and mine understanding returned unto me, and I blessed the most High...

Dan 6:10 Now when Daniel knew that the writing was signed, he went into his house; and his windows being open in his chamber toward Jerusalem, he kneeled upon his knees three times a day, and prayed...

Be sure to scroll up to see the many, many times (over 100) 1288 was used.
You emphasis 1289 while completely overlooking the more complete 1288 which is where your word comes from.
Why are you doing that?

[philman_36]

BTW, be sure to check out the phonetics...1288 - baw-rak', 1289 - ber-ak', 1290 - beh'-rek

[philman_36]

Restoration Quarterly Vol. 2 No. 1 (1958)
Blessing in the Old Testament: A Study of Genesis 12:3
The root idea of the verb b-r-k is "bend the knee," and the root is found throughout the Semitic family of languages' with this mean- ing. In Hebrew, the Piel conjugation became specialized in the usage[35] "to bless."

[philman_36]

Whether in Hebrew or in Arabic--both Semitic languages--the root "B-R-K" means "to bless."

[philman_36]

I most anxiously await any reply.

[Charles Henrickson]

I didn't make any reference at all to either "1289" or "1288," since I wasn't looking at Strong's. But you are. Apparently, "1289" refers to the equivalent word in Aramaic, in the brief Aramaic section of Daniel, and that's why there are so few references. I am referring to the root "B-R-K" in the Hebrew, which has many, many occurrences.

Whether in Hebrew, Aramaic, or Arabic--all Semitic languages--the triliteral root "B-R-K" means "bless," not "lightning." The last consonant is kaph, not qoph. Look in any standard Hebrew lexicon, and under beth-resh-kaph you will find "bless" (and the related concept, "kneel"), while under beth-resh-qoph you will find "lightning."

So I'm not sure what your point is.

[philman_36]

Ph.D. candidate in Biblical Studies
Perhaps you need to study harder or more. I'll be here when you decide to say something.
Ignoring this only makes you look more foolish than you already do.

[philman_36]

I didn't make any reference at all to either "1289" or "1288," since I wasn't looking at Strong's.
Then what are you looking at?

I am referring to the root "B-R-K" in the Hebrew, which has many, many occurrences.
"B-R-K" isn't a root. It comes from a root word!
As I've shown there are only five occurrences of b-r-k. If there are more than that then you shouldn't have any problem giving reference to them.

So I'm not sure what your point is.
I'm not sure you have one other than obfuscation.

[Charles Henrickson]

What is your point? Are you saying that the name "Barack" is from the Semitic root "B-R-K," which means "bless" (and "kneel")? If so, I AGREE with you!

If you are saying that the name "Barack" means "lightning," then you are mistaken, since that is a different word from a different root, "B-R-Q."

Again I ask, politely: What is your point?

[philman_36]

Well look who showed up long ago...using the same root word argument when the word in question isn't a root word at all.
And again with the root word argument
And for something different...Language Log February 14, 2007
Despite the spelling, Hebrew barak 'lightning' is actually derived from a different Semitic triliteral root: B-R-Q instead of B-R-K.
You're gonna fail if you stay so stubbornly pigheaded.

[xone]

Again I ask, politely: What is your point?

Always you d-mn Lutherans siding with the Muslims.

[philman_36]

Are you saying that the name "Barack" is from the Semitic root "B-R-K," which means "bless" (and "kneel")?
No, that's what you're saying. I've shown you yet again (reply 37) that B-R-K is not a root.
...derived from a different Semitic triliteral root: B-R-Q instead of B-R-K.
You're the one insisting a root word is one when it isn't.
And in the process you're completely misrepresenting what the word means.

[Charles Henrickson]

Then what are you looking at?

Any one of the many standard Hebrew and Aramaic reference tools I have on my bookshelves right beside me. For instance, Holladay, pp. 49-50, or Harris-Archer-Waltke, pp. 132-133 (entries 285, 287).

"B-R-K" isn't a root. It comes from a root word!

The term "root," as I used it, is standard terminology for the root consonants: "Most words in Hebrew include a root, a sequence of consonants associated with a meaning or group of meanings. Most roots are triconsonantal. . ." (Waltke-O'Connor, p. 83).

As I've shown there are only five occurrences of b-r-k.

In the ARAMAIC, which is only a very small portion of the Old Testament. But the same root, with the same meaning, in the HEBREW, occurs hundreds of times: "The root and its derivatives occur 415 times" (Harris-Archer-Waltke, p. 132).