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Kosovo independence 'not illegal', say UN judges
The Telegraph ^ | 7/22/2010 | Damien McElroy

Posted on 07/22/2010 9:32:25 PM PDT by bruinbirdman

International Court of Justice rejected a Serbian attempt to have it declared an illegal state by saying it had not broken any conventions when it established independence two years ago.

Serbia condemned the ruling and said it would "never" recognise the predominantly Muslim territory. Church bells were sounded across the nation in protest.

The US State Department welcomed the verdict and called on European states to support Kosovo. Joe Biden, the vice-president, used a telephone to Serbia's President Boris Tadic to demand Belgrade co-operate with the verdict.

Russia and China have refused to recognise Kosovo and fear the verdict will trigger a rash of demands for recognition in other areas.

There are breakaway republics in Cyprus, Georgia, Moldova and Azerbaijan which could now seize upon the ruling to try to push their own claims.

Other countries including China, Spain, Canada and Russia also contain self-governing territories that could also now attempt to declare independence and demand international recognition.

Serbia regards Kosovo as the country's birthplace, tracing its roots back to Prince Lazar's unsuccessful defence of the territory in 1389 as Ottoman invasion. The Muslim Kosovars are regarded as planters who were encouraged to spread into the area under Ottoman rule.

More than 10,000 Kosovans and hundreds of Serbs were killed in a bloody civil war following the break-up of Yugoslavia in the 1990s.

A 78-day Nato bombing campaign against Serbia in retaliation for two years of attacks on the province's ethnic Albanian majority was launched in 1999. After a Serbian capitulation, a UN administration and Nato troops were installed to monitored ceasefire.

A total of 69 countries mainly in the West including Britain, have recognise Kosovo since it declared statehood in 2008. The state is likely to garner up to 40 more diplomatic partners in the wake of the ruling

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: clintonswar; kosovo; serbia; un

1 posted on 07/22/2010 9:32:28 PM PDT by bruinbirdman
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To: bruinbirdman

The U.S. will come to rue this decision.


2 posted on 07/22/2010 9:35:54 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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To: Pikachu_Dad

I was thinking much the same thing.


3 posted on 07/22/2010 9:38:25 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Pikachu_Dad
"Russia and China have refused to recognise Kosovo "

So, does Hussein bin Obama al Kenyata support his commie comrades or his Mohammedan brothers?

yitbos

4 posted on 07/22/2010 9:39:10 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds.")
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To: bruinbirdman

If Biden called me and demanded I bow to the UN there is a one word answer: GOVNO!


5 posted on 07/22/2010 9:53:09 PM PDT by pankot
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To: bruinbirdman

Under this ruling, which the idiots in the current US State Dept support, the Confederate States of America could reform and would be “legal”.

As a matter of fact, any US state can now succeed and be “legal” by UN standards. Any large city could decalre themselves a country and be “legal”.

Way to go assholes, opening up that can of worms.


6 posted on 07/22/2010 9:58:57 PM PDT by packrat35 (Planned Parenthood... killing more blacks than the Ku Klux Klan could have ever dreamed of.)
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To: bruinbirdman

Were the Kosovar muslims natives who converted or truly “planters”? I have always heard the former...


7 posted on 07/22/2010 10:00:39 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: Amberdawn
"Were the Kosovar muslims natives who converted or truly “planters”? "

Actually, they were Albanian Maoist Muslim infiltrators.

yitbos

8 posted on 07/22/2010 10:03:48 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds.")
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To: bruinbirdman

There were a few Bosnia Muslims at GTMO. Who knew?


9 posted on 07/22/2010 10:17:49 PM PDT by occamrzr06
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To: packrat35
The idiots were the Serbs that chose the “Is the unilateral declaration of independence by the Provisional Institutions of Self-Government of Kosovo in accordance with international law?” question! Small Town Ohio can say "We're independent" tomorrow and be fine with international law because it's not illegal to *declare* it. It's against US law of course and getting recognitions is a total different matter. Here's their reasoning (or way out):

http://www.icj-cij.org/homepage/index.php?lang=en

In the present case, the question posed by the General Assembly is clearly formulated. The question is narrow and specific; it asks for the Court’s opinion on whether or not the declaration of independence is in accordance with international law. It does not ask about the legal consequences of that declaration. In particular, it does not ask whether or not Kosovo has achieved statehood. Nor does it ask about the validity or legal effects of the recognition of Kosovo by those States which have recognized it as an independent State.

The Court notes that, in past requests for advisory opinions, the General Assembly and the Security Council, when they have wanted the Court’s opinion on the legal consequences of an action, have framed the question in such a way that this aspect is expressly stated. Accordingly, the Court does not consider that it is necessary to address such issues as whether or not the declaration has led to the creation of a State or the status of the acts of recognition in order to answer the question put by the General Assembly. The Court accordingly sees no reason to reformulate the scope of the question."

And it turns out that the "Provisional Institutions of Self-Government of Kosovo" were not the ones that declared it. But there was no way for them to say people have a right to secede or to rule against a state with 69 recognitions. No one would have cared about what the court said anyway, Serbia said that much weeks ago.
10 posted on 07/22/2010 11:23:19 PM PDT by mainsail that ("A man will fight harder for his interests than for his rights" - Napoleon Bonaparte)
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To: mainsail that

Using this logic, can we expel Detroit from the USA?


11 posted on 07/23/2010 1:05:14 AM PDT by Ukiapah Heep (Shoes for Industry!)
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To: Pikachu_Dad

The Clinton administration was right in the middle of the problem, supporting the Muslims, and now this administration favors the Muslims.

Rule of thumb: If a Democrat likes it it is bad for this country.


12 posted on 07/23/2010 2:09:58 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government)
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To: packrat35
As a matter of fact, any US state can now succeed and be “legal” by UN standards.

Only if they were majority Muslim. And that would be secede.

13 posted on 07/23/2010 2:13:02 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government)
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To: Amberdawn

The residents of Kosovo, like all ethnic Albanians, speak an Indo-European language derived from Illyrian. The Illyrians were the inhabitants of the northwestern Balkans (modern Albania, Croatia, and most of Serbia), from at least the early years of the first millenium BC. They were there for well over a thousand years before the first slavic peoples entered the Balkans.

In the middle ages the Albanians, along with the Slavic Bosnians and also the Bulgarians accepted the Bogomil Christian heresy. They were persecuted by the western Catholics and the Eastern Orthodox, and fared better under the Ottoman Turks than theyh had under Christianity. Nearly all Bosnians and the large majority of Albanians eventually converted to Islam (a minority of the Albanians remained Roman Catholic).

In the course of time various wars led to population displacements all over the Balkans (this was the deliberate policy of both the Byzantine and Ottoman Empires to combat nationalistic revolts). This policy of displacement was continued into the twentieth century as the newly independent nations consolidated their populations. These wars have been horribly brutal from the time of Vlad the Impaler to the modern Balkan wars. Thank the Lord you do not live in that beautiful blood soaked region.


14 posted on 07/23/2010 3:14:42 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Good night. I expect more respect tomorrow - Danny H (RIP))
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To: Amberdawn

It was a long time ago anyway


15 posted on 07/23/2010 6:05:04 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (a 16 year old Australian girl already did it. And she did it right. - WWJD)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

That is a piece of common propaganda spread out by the muslim albanian invaders.

There is no saved Illyrian literature to compare to the albanian language. Likewise there is no evidence to connect albanians to the Illyirians.
The first written evidence of the albanian language came from Paulus Angelus in 1462, long after the slavic tribes settled in the Balkans. Most probably albanians were settled in the Balkans by the invading Turks, and originate from the Caucasus.


16 posted on 07/23/2010 9:55:02 AM PDT by Smith Winston
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To: Smith Winston; Lucius Cornelius Sulla
"The residents of Kosovo, like all ethnic Albanians, speak an Indo-European language derived from Illyrian."

"That is a piece of common propaganda spread out by the muslim albanian invaders." There is no saved Illyrian literature to compare to the albanian language. Likewise there is no evidence to connect albanians to the Illyirians.

You are absolutely correct, Mr. Winston. Even some Albanian scholars, although they've faced much resistance in the Albanian community, have denied any link between the Albanians and Illyrians.

Although there was certainly a Greece and a Serbia before the arrival of the Ottoman Turks in the 15th century, there wasn't even a country called "Albania" until 1912. There were simply tribes of Ghegs and Tosks, and the Muslim ones outbred everyone in the neighborhood. Birthrate has simply become the new weapon of warAnd while Kosovo may have been the first new conquest using this 'weapon", it won't be the last.

17 posted on 07/27/2010 8:08:03 PM PDT by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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