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KLM pushes to resume passenger flights after tests
AP? Yahoo ^ | 18 April '10 | staff

Posted on 04/18/2010 1:16:57 AM PDT by saganite

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To: saganite

As long as every flight has a KLM executive on it, this should be fine.


21 posted on 04/18/2010 4:25:32 AM PDT by HarryCaul (Verify Possums!)
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To: darkside321

Why can’t they fly a southerly route: US to Spain and vice versa?

From Spain, rail could be used to access more northern Euro sites.


22 posted on 04/18/2010 4:27:06 AM PDT by Timeout (Brits have the royals. Russia, the Nomenklatura. WE have our Privileged "Public Servant" class.)
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To: mewzilla

I think they meant that a first look didn’t uncover any damage, hence no “apparent damage”. After they borescope the engines they’ll know more but the ash makes itself apparent in things like cockpit windows that get sandblasted and radomes that show the wear and tear. That kind of stuff is immediately apparent.


23 posted on 04/18/2010 4:27:19 AM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: saganite
Could be.

....After they borescope the engines....

But do you think they'll do that for every plane in the fleet they fly through this stuff?

FWIW, I don't.

24 posted on 04/18/2010 4:31:05 AM PDT by mewzilla (Still voteless in NY-29.)
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To: Timeout

They can and some flights are going that way. But only Italian, Greek and Spanish etc. flights can use those routes because the airspace in the rest of Europe is closed. In other words, you can’t fly there from France, Germany etc. As for trains, good luck getting a seat. They are booked solid because most folks who are trying to get somewhere are taking the train. Don’t know about rental cars but I suspect they are booked solid too.


25 posted on 04/18/2010 4:31:32 AM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: saganite

And again, FWIW, which admittedly ain’t much since I’m not an engineer, but I’d be more worried about an increase in wear than in immediate damage, especially during a bad economy when surveillance of that sorta thing may not be as good as it once was.


26 posted on 04/18/2010 4:33:24 AM PDT by mewzilla (Still voteless in NY-29.)
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To: mewzilla

I don’t either but they would have to borescope a cross section of them just to make sure they weren’t being damaged. FWIW I think that if the authorities did allow some flights they might just mandate the inspection after every flight as long as they were flying through the ash.


27 posted on 04/18/2010 4:34:27 AM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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Any idea if flying through this stuff would increase the wear on the engines? Enough that it would necessitate shortening the time between regular maintenance? I’m more worried about stuff that won’t get caught right away, and we won’t find out about until some plane has a problem.


28 posted on 04/18/2010 4:37:55 AM PDT by mewzilla (Still voteless in NY-29.)
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To: saganite

The only airline people pushing for resumption of service are lawyers and executives who only see a $200 million/day loss now. They don’t know a thing, or care, about jet engines or airplanes—or passengers at this point. Have an independent agency consisting of engineers and pilots, not dependent on the airlines for their living, conduct tests.


29 posted on 04/18/2010 4:46:06 AM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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To: Timeout

Why can’t they fly a southerly route: US to Spain and vice versa?

From Spain, rail could be used to access more northern Euro sites.


Well as far as i know there are flights from the US to Spain. But just think about it that would be just too much.
Just imagine all the air trafic from the whole world to and from Europe inbound to a few major airports in Spain. They would collapse. And next problem while it´s true that most of european rail systems are pretty good it would still be impossible to get a seat when half of europe is on the way in/and away from this direction by train. Next problem there is no guarantee that spain will not be affectect sooner or later. So you might would end up on the opposite
corner of europe only to find out that they now have closed their airspace too. Imagine what caos would follow if they US shuts down all airports and then say if you want to enter or leave the US no problem all you have to do is to travel to New York because this is now the only airport availibe. New York would collapse.


30 posted on 04/18/2010 4:59:00 AM PDT by darkside321
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To: Timeout

Would work, but for those of us in the UK, no help as the rails and ferries are over-booked.


31 posted on 04/18/2010 5:05:19 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: Hulka
Speaking of the UK, ran across this over the weekend...

Ash disrupts deliveries to British shops

32 posted on 04/18/2010 5:07:34 AM PDT by mewzilla (Still voteless in NY-29.)
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To: darkside321

I just checked your animation again and the update shows the ash almost to Canada. Interesting wind pattern.


33 posted on 04/18/2010 9:48:53 AM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: saganite

Yes i´m glad that i found this side too.
It gives a good overview. (the only drawback is that the
information could be up to 3 hours old because it looks like
the refresh rate is 3 hours).
greetings


34 posted on 04/18/2010 10:21:35 AM PDT by darkside321
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