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KLM pushes to resume passenger flights after tests
AP? Yahoo ^ | 18 April '10 | staff

Posted on 04/18/2010 1:16:57 AM PDT by saganite

KLM, the Dutch subsidiary of Air France, says it has flown a plane through the cloud of volcanic ash covering Europe without suffering any damage.

KLM carried out a test flight above Dutch air space Saturday. It says initial inspections afterward showed no damage or irregularities from the ash in the air that has led to a ban on air travel over much of Europe since Friday.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: airlines; klm; volcano
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1 posted on 04/18/2010 1:16:57 AM PDT by saganite
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To: saganite

At the rate they were losing money, sooner or later it was going to be worth their while to do their own testing with a real plane and real ash clouds.


2 posted on 04/18/2010 1:21:34 AM PDT by NVDave
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To: saganite

I read a theory that all of this was to give world leaders an excuse not to attend the funerals in Poland - many heads of state have cancelled because of it, including the US.


3 posted on 04/18/2010 1:45:29 AM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: saganite

Perhaps a stupid question:

Can’t they put some kind of fine screening on the front of the engines?


4 posted on 04/18/2010 1:51:45 AM PDT by Timeout (Brits have the royals. Russia, the Nomenklatura. WE have our Privileged "Public Servant" class.)
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To: Timeout
The ash is a particulate matter that is like a very fine dust, but with sharp edges.

A screen would have to be like silk and that would not allow sufficient airflow to keep the engines running.

5 posted on 04/18/2010 1:55:11 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: Timeout

No. That would restrict airflow to the engines and the screen would have to be extremely fine to capture the dust particles not to mention it would be sucked into the engine itself under high power. Even if it were possible though it wouldn’t be economically feasible. Volcanic eruptions have never impacted air travel to this extent. Usually airlines can just route around the ash cloud. This is a once in a century type deal.


6 posted on 04/18/2010 1:58:43 AM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: saganite

Sorry, I haven’t been following the story until now.

Is it “once in a century” simply due to the congested nature of the geographic area beneath the cloud?


7 posted on 04/18/2010 2:12:21 AM PDT by Timeout (Brits have the royals. Russia, the Nomenklatura. WE have our Privileged "Public Servant" class.)
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So I’m just a bit curious, who’s gonna get the blame when a KLM or Lufthansa 747 falls out of the sky due to a quadruple flame out because the engines are clogged up with volcanic particulate so fine that it may not even be visible to the human eye as you are flying through it.

It don’t show up on RADAR because it contains no water and it builds up slowly.

50 North 40 West is no place to have all four GE’s stop converting jet fuel into noise...


8 posted on 04/18/2010 2:14:32 AM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: Timeout

That’s just my phrase but yes, the eruption could not have occurred in a worse spot. Not only has it shut down International flights to and from Europe because those routes are right in the path of the cloud (although I think some of the southern routes across the Atlantic are still open) but it has shut down pretty much all air traffic in Europe. It’s had an almost 9-11 types impact on European and International (US to Europe and return) flying.


9 posted on 04/18/2010 2:24:29 AM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Unless the authorities agree to open the airspace this test won’t mean a thing. I don’t expect them to either because of what you just speculated. No bureaucrat wants to take responsibility for that.


10 posted on 04/18/2010 2:26:19 AM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: saganite
Here is a map of the cloud. It now has covered really most of Europe. Photobucket
11 posted on 04/18/2010 2:29:28 AM PDT by darkside321
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To: saganite

Unless the authorities agree to open the airspace this test won’t mean a thing. I don’t expect them to either because of what you just speculated. No bureaucrat wants to take responsibility for that.


I agree just imagine you are the person who said ok now it´s save and then a plane drops into the “pond”.
You would get “eaten alive” for this.


12 posted on 04/18/2010 2:37:20 AM PDT by darkside321
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To: darkside321

Do you have an earlier map to compare this one to. Am interested in how fast it is spreading.


13 posted on 04/18/2010 3:16:58 AM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: saganite

they tested with one plane and one flight?


14 posted on 04/18/2010 3:29:50 AM PDT by screaming eagle2 (No matter what you call it,a pre-owned automobile is STILL A USED CAR!!!)
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To: hoosiermama

try this link. There you can exactly watch the timeline.
http://www.zamg.ac.at/aktuell/index.php?seite=1&artikel=ZAMG_2010-04-17GMT06:52


15 posted on 04/18/2010 3:30:08 AM PDT by darkside321
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To: screaming eagle2

I would think that would be sufficient but they plan to try and move 7 more today on ferry flights. I’m sure those will get a thorough inspecton too.


16 posted on 04/18/2010 4:04:02 AM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: darkside321

That’s a great video. I see something there I didn’t expect and that is that the ash has been picked up by a southerly flow after drifting down into France and is now heading for the eastern coast of Canada.


17 posted on 04/18/2010 4:09:13 AM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: saganite
From this link....

Test flights raise hope for European air traffic

...but Dutch and German test flights carried out without apparent damage...

I thought that the use of the word apparent was interesting.

18 posted on 04/18/2010 4:13:15 AM PDT by mewzilla (Still voteless in NY-29.)
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To: mewzilla
I wonder about an increase in wear....
19 posted on 04/18/2010 4:14:25 AM PDT by mewzilla (Still voteless in NY-29.)
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To: saganite

Brace for impact


20 posted on 04/18/2010 4:18:35 AM PDT by Vaduz
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