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Can Britain afford not to build £5bn Royal Navy aircraft carriers?
Daily Telegraph ^ | 28 Feb 2010 | Amy Wilson

Posted on 03/04/2010 7:01:02 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki

Can Britain afford not to build £5bn Royal Navy aircraft carriers?

Two aircraft carriers weighing in at 65,000 tonnes each may not be the obvious stuff of romance, but HMS Queen Elizabeth and her partner HMS Prince of Wales have become the will-they-won't-they couple of the defence world.

Every time the £35bn cost overrun at the Ministry of Defence is mentioned, the question of whether to scrap or build the £5bn carriers follows. Can the country afford two such vessels? Even if they are both built, there is a persistent rumour the second could be sold to India. Or that one ship will have to share the other's complement of fighter planes and helicopters, an ignominious fate for an aircraft carrier. Expectations of a happy ending for the pair are not strong.

But what is not often mentioned is that the carriers are already being built. The first cut of steel happened at BAE Systems' yard on the Clyde in July and work started last week on the first section to be built in Portsmouth. Some 80,000 tonnes of steel have already been ordered from Corus. Pulling the plug on the programme will not be straightforward.

There is also the small matter of the 10,000 jobs around the UK that depend on the carrier programme, a figure which is likely to rise to closer to 15,000 at the peak of the building programme. But even this is not a solid tick in the programme's favour – with work being done in Glasgow, Liverpool, Newcastle and the backyard of the Prime Minister's constituency in Fife, there are also accusations this is a job creation scheme for key Labour seats.

The carriers, due to go into service in 2016 and 2018, are a totem for both sides in the debate over

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: aircraftcarrier; britain; navair; royalnavy; uk
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HMS Invincible, one of the Royal Navy's aircraft carriers Photo: Royal Navy

1 posted on 03/04/2010 7:01:03 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The brits used to build good looking watships.


2 posted on 03/04/2010 7:03:10 AM PST by skeeter
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Obviously the building process takes many years, but with the Falklands in the news, I would hope that the UK understands the value of power projection.


3 posted on 03/04/2010 7:04:00 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (We're all heading toward red revolution - we just disagree on which type of Red we want.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

If the Brits want to defend the Falklands, all those sheep and ALL THAT OIL they will have to build the carriers!


4 posted on 03/04/2010 7:04:53 AM PST by WellyP
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To: skeeter

Why is the island so darn big?


5 posted on 03/04/2010 7:04:59 AM PST by glorgau
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Given the resurgent rumblings over the Falklands, I’d say the Brits HAVE to build those carriers.


6 posted on 03/04/2010 7:06:51 AM PST by brothers4thID (http://scarlettsays.blogspot.com/)
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To: glorgau

I’d like to see a photo of one of our Nimitz class carriers next to this big tug boat.


7 posted on 03/04/2010 7:10:10 AM PST by unkus
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To: sukhoi-30mki

5 billion UK pounds converts to $7.5billion USD


8 posted on 03/04/2010 7:10:28 AM PST by sodpoodle (Despair - Man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
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9 posted on 03/04/2010 7:12:17 AM PST by rahbert (Beck is crying, again...)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
"Those who would see the programme scrapped say a country with a £178bn hole in its finances, fighting a bloody war in landlocked Afghanistan, should not be spending further billions on equipment that has little relevance to the way wars are fought now."

This is the kind of thinking the French used in the 30's to build the maginot line. No need to invest in these tank thingies. We have to build a great wall of China to protect ourselves.

Gunboat diplomacy is alive and well in this day and age. When you can move an aircraft carrier into an area, diplomacy gets a lot easier....
10 posted on 03/04/2010 7:12:40 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: skeeter

I think the Lion class and Hood battlecruisers were the most aesthetically pleasing capital ships ever built; nice to look at but had glass jaws. It is such a shame only 1 ship from that era, the USS Texas, still survives.


11 posted on 03/04/2010 7:13:49 AM PST by C19fan
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To: unkus

at 65,000 tons these ships will be about 2/3 the size of a Nimitz ... roughly comparable to the French carrier CHARLES DEGAULLE, or USS MIDDWAY (CV-41).


12 posted on 03/04/2010 7:14:36 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

If Britain would drop the failed Socialism experiment they’ve been trudging through, they could probably generate the wealth needed to pay for these.


13 posted on 03/04/2010 7:14:38 AM PST by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
I believe this is a concept drawing of the new carrier twins.


14 posted on 03/04/2010 7:17:08 AM PST by chrisser (Starve the Monkeys!)
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To: ArrogantBustard

I knew that. I was just being facetious. Thanks.


15 posted on 03/04/2010 7:18:41 AM PST by unkus
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I wonder if we could donate them one of our CVNs?
That way, an ally keeps power projection capability and we can cut down on the maintenance cost of a CVN.


16 posted on 03/04/2010 7:19:34 AM PST by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Correction: The proposed Brit carriers will be 50% larger than the Froggish flattop.


17 posted on 03/04/2010 7:19:59 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
"USS MIDDWAY (CV-41)."
That would be the USS Neverdock to you.....
18 posted on 03/04/2010 7:20:07 AM PST by joe fonebone (CPAC.....Commies Playing At Conservatism)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Not sure Prince of Wales is a particularly well-omened name for a warship.


19 posted on 03/04/2010 7:20:21 AM PST by Sherman Logan ( .)
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To: unkus
If they ever do build them, I'm quite sure we'll get a photo-op with a Nimitz, one of the Brit carriers, and the Froggy ship. It will be interesting. Sort of like this:


20 posted on 03/04/2010 7:22:38 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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