Sebelius: Yes, you will pay for abortions under Nelson's deal, like it or not.

Washington Examiner ^ | 12/22/09 | David Freddoso

[Nachum]

At Hot Air, Captain Ed has a tape of Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius discussing how the so-called "abortion premium" in the Senate health care reform bill will work. Is she suggesting that everyone will have to pay an abortion premium, and that accounting tricks will be used just to make it look like you're not forced to pay for abortions?

SEBELIUS: That would be an accounting procedure, but everybody in the exchange would do the same thing, whether you’re male or female, whether you’re 75 or 25, you would all set aside a portion of your premium that would go into a fund, and it would not be earmarked for anything, it would be a separate account that everyone in the exchange would pay.

[VOA]

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Sebelius: Yes, you will pay for abortions under Nelson’s deal,
like it or not.
“

“What’s The Matter With Kansas?”

Maybe a bit less now that Sibelius is in Washington, D.C.

Only problem is she’s doing her best to screw up the rest of the USA.
E.g., f-—ed up management of flu vaccine, hoping to make the whole
nation pay for abortions, etc.....

[anglian]

“Obama Told House Democrat He Wasn’t Talking about House Health Bill When He Told Congress ‘Our Plan’ Doesn’t Fund Abortion”
Related videos at link. http://www.cnsnews.com/cnsnewstv/v/Gd6UuzkUqG

[bert]

The free abortions are being made into law to reduce the urban black populations,

From aborted Acorn no oak trees grow

[Cicero]

Yes, indeed. They cut off her future campaign funds from that source.

Here's one of the famous photos of Sebelius's private reception for Tiller in the Governor's Mansion in 2007:

[sergeantdave]

“Why are they not afraid of losing their jobs.”

I’d agree. They’re not afraid of losing their jobs. Legislators in the National Socialist Democratic Workers Party were also not afraid of losing their jobs. They thought they’d be the new Teutonic overlords in the Fourth Reich. They stuck with Hitler to the end. Pyschotic megalomania does that to leftists. They’re all infected with the psychosis.

You can bet when they’re led to the hangman’s noose, they’ll be protesting that they did nothing wrong. The protest will end when the trapdoor is triggered.

We are seeing Satanic egocentrism in action.

[IM2MAD]

ABORT DEMS

[VOA]

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They’re not afraid of losing their jobs. Legislators in the National Socialist
Democratic Workers Party were also not afraid of losing their jobs.
“

Part of the reason they aren’t afraid of losing jobs (INCOME) is
that the Federal system is so byzantine, they’ll find a job in one
of the favorite hideouts of “unemployed” politicians, like The Department
of Education. One “un-elected” Senator Carole Mosely-Braun (sp?) of
Illinois got employment in the Dept. of Education after Illinois voters
turned her out in a rare, brief “moment of clarity”.

If they don’t find income working for the federal bureaucracy,
they’ll end up being an “advisor” like Tom Dashiel...then eventually
full-fledged lobbyists after they’ve been out of office the proscribed period
of time.

[VOA]

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Here’s one of the famous photos of Sebelius’s private reception for
Tiller in the Governor’s Mansion in 2007:
“

Thanks for posting the photo of Sibelius and her hero.
I knew she was a shill for the slaughterhouse operator (Tiller),
but I didn’t know she’d actually honored him with a “state” occassion.

[ichabod1]

They don’t think we’ll go that far. They think they can keep us down, cover it up in the media, shut up the dissenting voices. I think next tea party in Washington needs to move from the mall to the Capitol and actually occupy it. That’s the next logical step. No one in and no one out.

[ridesthemiles]

Christmas or not- I am betting that sermons in the churches- particularly Catholic churches in the next few Sundays will be very interesting.

Look for more and more hospitals to shut down all their pre-natal care and obstetrics sections of their facilities, especially Catholic hospitals and clinics.

Fewer places to go for service, and more women looking for freebies... a Perfect Storm of health care which isn’t there!!!

[sergeantdave]

“Part of the reason they aren’t afraid of losing jobs (INCOME) is
that the Federal system is so byzantine..”

I agree, which is why we need to work hard to elect patriotic Americans(PA).

With PA in congress we can smoke out their hide-outs, destroy these hide-outs and give them a choice - leave America or die.

Let’s get to work, yes?

[TigersEye]

Kathleen Sebelius sure does love baby killing.
She must get some kind of sexual thrill from abortion.

[TigersEye]

I formally protest being made accessory to murder before the fact

Understand this: THIS IS THE WHOLE POINT - TO FORCE YOU TO BE COMPLICIT.

During the days of the draft and the Vietnam war you could be excused from the draft as a conscientious objector. I would seriously use conscientious objector status from paying federal taxes if they put fed funding of abortion into law. If they want to make me the Nelson Mandela of abortion that's just fine with me. That would probably be the best thing I've ever done with my life.

[BelegStrongbow]

During the days of the draft and the Vietnam war you could be excused from the draft as a conscientious objector.

I find this extremely interesting. Many of the conscientious objectors demurred on the ground that they believed that becoming a soldier was tantamount to agreeing to complete a murder pact. That was actually a ridiculous argument unless they intended to go in-country and start shooting up the civilian populace. To the extent that they conscientiously prosecuted an actual war, they would be fighting with enemies armed as well as they, which is the antithesis of murder and the only true exception to the murder rule: you have the moral right to defend yourself to the extent you are attacked (or put in imminent peril of attack).

Here, we have an actual murder pact. Doctors and mothers conspire to kill the preborn children because they are inconvenient and, to date, we have been at most unwilling bystanders prevented by law from intervening to save the lives. Now, they intend to have us participate. I would think that the conscientious objector provision would apply a fortiori.

But, it won't. We are dealing with a new Curia and a new orthodoxy, utterly at moral right angles to a sane one, but prosecuted with vigor equal to anything any Church ever proposed or any State ever disposed.

I agree. It is seriously to be considered to compute the fraction of tax equal to that devoted to abortion support and to consciously and openly withhold it, saying why in no uncertain terms. It would not actually be a big number, but the point needs to be made. You are aware, of course, that unless the move is backed up with legal action in court, they would simply pile up penalties and interest. We could end up paying much more and perhaps unintentionally funding even more cruelty and mayhem than if we just paid the original tax.

The problem, I guess, remains: how to effectively protest this, assuming there is no electoral relief?

[TigersEye]

Many of the conscientious objectors demurred on the ground that they believed that becoming a soldier was tantamount to agreeing to complete a murder pact.

Even less than that was necessary to successfully apply for conscientious objector status. Some letters of reference were necessary but you could simply claim that your conscience forbade the taking of life. Making it a matter of murder in the legal sense was not necessary.

Here, we have an actual murder pact. ... I would think that the conscientious objector provision would apply a fortiori.

As do I. Murder or not, by legal definition, abortion is the taking of a life. I object to participating in that when it is not, at minimum, self-defense or the defense of life. That is a violation of my conscience and the religious doctrine I practice.

It is seriously to be considered to compute the fraction of tax equal to that devoted to abortion support and to consciously and openly withhold it, saying why in no uncertain terms. It would not actually be a big number, but the point needs to be made.

That is not what I have in mind and doesn't satisfy my conscience or my political objectives. All tax dollars are fungible. Any money the IRS takes in from me can be used to fund anything the treasury spends money on. My intention is to refuse to pay any federal taxes as long as abortion is funded by federal tax dollars in any way.

I am already pressed, as we all are, into being party to the legal compact, as a loyal citizen under the Constitution, to the federal laws and rulings that make abortion legal. Perhaps that ought to grieve my conscience enough to break my bonds with this Republic but it hasn't. Forcing me to pay for the butchery is a bridge too far.

I am aware that I would need a legal defense unless I just wanted to go quietly to prison. I might be willing to go to prison over this issue but it won't be quietly. That is exactly the opposite of what I have in mind.

I would want it known the world 'round that the United States government was putting me in prison for not being willing to aid and abet the slaughter of unborn babies. If no one backs me up, if no press of any kind carries the story, and I go to jail in silence ... so be it.

[OafOfOffice]

Making sure you all see this.

http://bit.ly/70YjRu

Reid Roils the Abortion Debate

Far from maintaining the Hyde Amendment limitations on federal abortion funding, the Harry Reid (D-NV) “manager’s amendment” on which cloture has now been invoked in the Senate would begin to tear down the firewall that individual taxpayers now enjoy in various federal programs not to participate in abortion funding; establish a line-item process so that employees in many states will see a special “abortion debit” on their pay check stubs; create new health insurance plans offered through the Office of Personnel Management (OPM), one of which will almost certainly offer elective abortions; and open up a 50-state battle on abortion funding that could lead to the all-or-nothing inclusion or exclusion of such funding in each state.