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DU Panel: Legalization Of Immigrants Beneficial
Associated Press - ^ | December 9, 2009 | IVAN MORENO

Posted on 12/09/2009 10:33:51 AM PST by george76

Millions of undocumented people in the U.S. should be given a path to legal status after the country finds a way to stop illegal immigration, business and government leaders said in a report Wednesday.

The University of Denver report argues that legalizing as many of the estimated 12 million undocumented immigrants as possible could strengthen the economy and national security. But it should come with conditions, such as requiring new immigrants to learn English, pass criminal and medical background checks, and pay any taxes that they owe, the document states.

The report is the product of a year of discussions by a 20-member nonpartisan panel and presentations from Gov. Bill Ritter, Denver Mayor John Hickenlooper, former Gov. Bill Owens and other political leaders. Its policy recommendations are being sent to the Legislature and members of Congress.

(Excerpt) Read more at cbs4denver.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: Arizona; US: Colorado; US: New Mexico; US: Texas
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1 posted on 12/09/2009 10:33:52 AM PST by george76
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To: george76
report argues that legalizing as many of the estimated 12 million undocumented immigrants as possible could strengthen the economy and national security

Why do I get the feeling the 'fix the border' issue will be forgotten in the rush to condone criminal behavior?

2 posted on 12/09/2009 10:37:30 AM PST by relictele
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To: george76

Yes, their ‘path’ should be back to the US Embassy in Mexico City standing in line behind the rest of the 3rd, 4th, and 5th world huddled masses ‘yearning’ to be ‘free’.


3 posted on 12/09/2009 10:37:37 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: george76

Beneficial to the democrat party, maybe.


5 posted on 12/09/2009 10:40:02 AM PST by doorgunner69
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To: george76

6 posted on 12/09/2009 10:40:37 AM PST by faq
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To: george76

Illegal aliens already have a path to citizenship.

They can return to their home countries. Go to the nearest U.S. consulate or embassy, obtain a visa application, and apply for permanent residency, like every other person on earth who would like to come here.


7 posted on 12/09/2009 10:41:27 AM PST by altsehastiin
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To: george76

There is no way we can deport 12 million illegals. I don’t know a perfect answer but maybe this may be one. The only stipulation is that they be unable to vote until after the 2012 elections to guarantee that they understand what America is about. And another requirement is they will be required to take a class reading the Constitution, Bill of Rights, and pledge allegiance to the flat of the United States at every class opening. I just don’t know but something must be done because the corrupt King Obama will see that they vote in 2010.


8 posted on 12/09/2009 10:42:29 AM PST by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: george76

“Millions of undocumented people in the U.S. should be given a path to legal status after the country finds a way to stop illegal immigration, ...”

Nothing new here. Which potential conservative candidates DO NOT favor “path to citizenship” amnesty?


9 posted on 12/09/2009 10:43:07 AM PST by Kimberly GG (Join Me In BOYCOTTING all ObamaTV!! (Change the channel or do so and then turn tv off!!))
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To: george76

Pay attention here folks. This, along with the comments yesterday on foreign students is part of the preparatory maneuvers for doing amnesty soon.


11 posted on 12/09/2009 10:44:58 AM PST by tanknetter
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To: george76

“But it should come with conditions, such as requiring new immigrants to learn English, pass criminal and medical background checks, and pay any taxes that they owe, the document states.”

Well, gotta give ‘em credit for thinking a bit harder on the subject then most.


12 posted on 12/09/2009 10:49:12 AM PST by RWB Patriot ("Need has never produced anything. It has only been an excuse to steal from those with ablity.")
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To: george76
estimated 12 30 million undocumented immigrants

Fixed.


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Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

13 posted on 12/09/2009 10:49:16 AM PST by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: tanknetter
DU? I thought it was about Ducks Unlimited escorting illegal ducks into this country.
14 posted on 12/09/2009 10:50:06 AM PST by Northern Yankee (Where Liberty dwells, there is my Country. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: george76

“Millions of undocumented people in the U.S. should be given a path to legal status after the country finds a way to stop illegal immigration”

But, but....Janet Napalitano AND John McCain both insist the border IS secure!!! What complete idiots....if a country will NOT deport illegal aliens, why shouldn’t they ALL come???

BTW, many ‘progressives’ don’t agree.

Some ‘progressives’ understand the situation better than the GOP leaders.

Liberals Examine Immigration Reform

WASHINGTON, Dec. 8 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ — Progressives for Immigration Reform has released a new policy brief: “The Economic Impacts of Mass Immigration into the United States and the Proper Progressive Response.” The publication was authored by Philip Cafaro, an Associate Professor of Philosophy at Colorado State University with a long history of progressive political activism. This study examines the impact that uncontrolled immigration has on America’s poor and argues that Democrats need to address their plight rather than swelling their ranks by importing less-skilled, low-wage foreign labor. The article reveals that current immigration policies widen income inequalities and concentrate immigration’s harms upon those Americans least able to afford them.

Among the article’s key findings:

* Increased immigration has swamped American labor markets with less-skilled, less-educated workers, driving down wages for working-class Americans.
* Government data show that when adjusted for inflation, average wages in some industries with high numbers of foreign workers are 45% lower than in 1980.
* Among the biggest economic losers of current high levels of immigration are poor Americans, ethnic minorities, and older immigrants. There is no evidence of a labor shortage at the lower end of the labor market.
* Current immigration policies further economic inequality in the United States.

“In today’s economic environment when many Americans are suffering from unemployment, job displacement and stagnant or declining wages, liberals should strive to set immigration at levels that work FOR America’s poorest citizens, rather than against them,” says Professor Cafaro. “Although the United States is a wealthy nation that can and should do its best to help the world’s poor, basic fairness requires that we address the needs of America’s poor before increasing the economic and wage competition they already face.”

This publication can be accessed at: http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/liberals-examine-immigration-reform-78758672.html


15 posted on 12/09/2009 10:50:57 AM PST by AuntB (If Al Qaeda grew drugs & burned our forests instead of armed Mexican Cartels would anyone notice?)
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To: george76

We have 10% unemployment minimum amongst citizens, how will legalizing them help those citizens?

How is legalizing low wage earners beneficial to society when they won’t pay taxes and they and their families will be eligible for tax payer funded social service programs?

Since their families will be allowed in, how is it beneficial to have possibly 80 million new residents who are eligible for social service programs, whose kids will be using the school system, and town services will be strained.


16 posted on 12/09/2009 10:51:58 AM PST by Ballygrl
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To: Logical me

“There is no way we can deport 12 million illegals. “

Sure there is. If we keep insisting that, we are LOST. When a nation says that, why on earth would any of them stop coming here. You’re simply begging to open the flood gates. We don’t NEED to deport them all. If we got serious about the law (YES, the law says the prescribed penalty for illegal entry is DEPORTATION.) most would self deport or not bother to come in the first place.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2401786/posts
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17 posted on 12/09/2009 10:55:39 AM PST by AuntB (If Al Qaeda grew drugs & burned our forests instead of armed Mexican Cartels would anyone notice?)
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To: george76

“But it should come with conditions, such as requiring new immigrants to learn English, pass criminal and medical background checks, and pay any taxes that they owe, the document states.”


I suppose these “owed taxes” are supposed to pay for the English classes, background checks, and other social services, that not only the ‘new’ citizen uses, but also the Ten relatives each will sponsor.

Fat chance. The CIS released a report years ago showing clearly it took three EMPLOYED generations for the social services consumed by the original immigrant to be paid back. Zero positive fiscal impact, until his great, Grand Children.


18 posted on 12/09/2009 10:57:47 AM PST by moehoward
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To: Kimberly GG

“Nothing new here. Which potential conservative candidates DO NOT favor “path to citizenship” amnesty?”

Now, be a good Rino and don’t ask such questions...no one is going to answer you anyway.


19 posted on 12/09/2009 10:58:03 AM PST by AuntB (If Al Qaeda grew drugs & burned our forests instead of armed Mexican Cartels would anyone notice?)
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To: Logical me

I say fine employers who hire them, do away with all services they can qualify for, and they’ll all go home. We have jails overflowing with them at a huge cost to the taxpayer and we have Hospitals closing because they’re a burden on the system, they need to go home. We can’t afford to ignore 12 million.


20 posted on 12/09/2009 11:00:16 AM PST by Ballygrl
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To: george76
family earning $19,350 has $22,800 in income deductions which means they pay no federal taxSource

So, how is having 13-30 Millin low income earners added to our welfare load, people who DO NOT pay taxes now, and will likely NOT PAY TAXES in the future - how does this help us?

This is a culture where education is not considered important, where hard work is prized, but they are entitled to schools, welfare assistance, medical care, child care, and every other social program - yet historically neither they, nor their children will ever earn enough to actually pay the taxes to compensate for the resources they consume.

21 posted on 12/09/2009 11:07:37 AM PST by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: george76
Millions of undocumented people in the U.S. should be given a path to legal status after the country finds a way to stop illegal immigration,

This is where the article should have ended.

Get back to me "after the country finds a way to stop illegal immigration."

22 posted on 12/09/2009 11:20:10 AM PST by DumpsterDiver
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To: george76
The report is the product of a year of discussions by a 20-member nonpartisan panel and presentations from Gov. Bill Ritter, Denver Mayor John Hickenlooper, former Gov. Bill Owens and other political leaders.

Hey AP, if it's all so "nonpartisan" why did your article only list Democrats?

23 posted on 12/09/2009 11:35:47 AM PST by RJL
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To: Logical me
There is no way we can deport 12 million illegals.

If the 20 to 30 millions illegal aliens in the US were no longer allowed to get jobs or various government freebies, they would self-deport. At that point 7 - 8 millions jobs would open up.
24 posted on 12/09/2009 11:47:02 AM PST by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: AuntB

Thanks for the link.

The only thing the article did not address is that not all illegals compete at the lower economic end of the hob market. It is disgusting easy for a visa overstay (guest worker, student, or just visitor) to morph into an illegal alien worker competing with and suppressing the wages of American professionals. There also never has been a worker shortage on the higher end of the market either.


25 posted on 12/09/2009 11:59:46 AM PST by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: george76

RE :”The University of Denver report argues that legalizing as many of the estimated 12 million undocumented immigrants as possible could strengthen the economy and national security. But it should come with conditions, such as requiring new immigrants to learn English, pass criminal and medical background checks, and pay any taxes that they owe, the document states. “

strengthen the economy ?

Pay taxes?? They get a tax credit!


26 posted on 12/09/2009 12:04:00 PM PST by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the government spending you demand stupid")
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To: AuntB

The unfortunate reality is that the real reason wages have crashed for the bottom wrung of American workers has less to do with illegal immigrants and more to do with software productivity. That’s not popular to admit, but it’s the truth.

Here’s what I mean:

If I were running my companies twenty years ago and, let’s say a customer placed an order, I’d have to have someone physically in a storefront, take payment, check inventory, ring up the sale, reorder the product, and then enter all of the records into the accounting system. There is a lot of time, process, and payroll that I’d have to cover.

Today, the customer shops from home. Their order is sent directly to the database, which adjusts the inventory figures, calculates the profit, charges the credit card, moves the money to the bank account, places the drop-ship order with the vendor, and then puts the completed record into the accounting system with no employee help along the way.

That means lower prices for the consumers, and higher profits in the company’s pockets. The savings come from jobs that are no longer necessary.

Peter Drucker warned us decades ago that the world was going to split into knowledge workers and the destitute, blue-collar workers that wouldn’t be able to support themselves as their role became increasingly obsolete. This is being driven by improvements in technology.

No one is talking about this, though. Probably because there aren’t a lot of solutions.


27 posted on 12/09/2009 12:42:19 PM PST by WallStreetCapitalist
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28 posted on 12/09/2009 9:28:03 PM PST by gubamyster
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To: george76

A recent Michigan State University study suggested bringing in more immigrants with the stipulation that their home countries send investors and businesses to hire them.

Jobs Americans aren’t allowed to do.


29 posted on 12/10/2009 3:37:20 AM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: algernonpj; WallStreetCapitalist; All

You may find this interesting.

A new study from the Center for Immigration studies about unemployment.

http://cis.org/UnemploymentAmongNativeWorkers

Unemployed Natives Available for Work

Report Finds Huge Number of Less-Educated Americans Not Working

WASHINGTON (December 10, 2009) – The Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) has released a new study detailing the U-6 unemployment rates among native born workers. U-6 is a broader measure of employment that includes the unemployed, people who would like to work but who have not looked for a job recently, and those involuntarily working part-time. A look at these numbers shows the situation is particularly bad for minorities, the young, and less-educated Americans. These are the workers who face the most competition from immigrants – legal and illegal.

The study, “A Huge Pool of Potential Workers: Unemployment, Underemployment, and Non-Work Among Native-Born Americans,” is authored by CIS Director of Research Steven A. Camarota and Demographer Karen Jensenius.

Among the findings:

* As of the third quarter of 2009, there are 12.5 million unemployed native-born Americans, but the broader U-6 measure shows 21 million natives unemployed or underemployed.

* There are 6.1 million natives with a high school education or less who are unemployed. Using the U-6 measure, it is 10.4 million.

* In addition to those less-educated natives covered by U-6, there are another 18.7 million natives with a high school education or less not in the labor force, which means they are not looking for work.

* The total number of less-educated (high school education or less) natives who are unemployed, underemployed, or not in the labor force is 29.1 million.

* To place these numbers in perspective, there are an estimated seven to eight million illegal immigrants holding jobs.

* As of the third quarter of 2009, the overall unemployment rate for native-born Americans is 9.5 percent; the U-6 measure shows it as 15.9 percent.

* Nationally, the unemployment rate for natives with a high school degree or less is 13.1 percent. Their U-6 measure is 21.9 percent.

* State with the highest U-6 rates for less-educated natives are Michigan, California, Arizona, Florida, Tennessee, South Carolina, North Carolina, Nevada, Illinois, and Georgia.

* The unemployment rate for natives nationally with less than a high school education is 20.5 percent. Their U-6 measure is 32.4 percent.

* Nationally, the unemployment rate for young native-born Americans (18-29) who have only a high school education is 19 percent. Their U-6 measure is 31.2 percent.

* Nationally, the unemployment rate for native-born blacks with less than a high school education is 28.8 percent. Their U-6 measure is 42.2 percent.

* The unemployment rate for young native-born blacks (18-29) with only a high school education is 27.1 percent. Their U-6 measure is 39.8 percent.

* Nationally, the unemployment rate for native-born Hispanics with less than a high school education is 23.2 percent. Their U-6 measure is 35.6 percent.

* The unemployment rate for young native-born Hispanics (18-29) with only a high school degree is 20.9 percent. Their U-6 measure is 33.9 percent.

* Nationally, the overall unemployment rate for immigrants (legal and illegal) is 9.9 percent. Their U-6 measure is 19.6 percent, which is significantly higher than the rate for natives.

* The unemployment rate for immigrants with less than a high school education is 12.3 percent. Their U-6 measure is 27.4 percent. The unemployment rate for young immigrants (18-29) with only a high school education is 12.2 percent. Their U-6 measure is 25.2 percent.


30 posted on 12/10/2009 8:55:46 AM PST by AuntB (If Al Qaeda grew drugs & burned our forests instead of armed Mexican Cartels would anyone notice?)
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To: AuntB
You may find this interesting.

Thanks for the link.
31 posted on 12/10/2009 11:17:20 AM PST by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: Logical me
What is this "we can't send them all home," garbage? Reagan crammed that down out throats, look what it got us, 30+ million more illegals in the country. Those of us who live on the border have no desire to live through that nightmare again.

This isn't rocket science, in the 50s Ike sent enough home that most of the rest self deported.

32 posted on 12/10/2009 10:29:11 PM PST by c-b 1 (Reporting from behind enemy lines, in occupied AZTLAN.)
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