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China has now become the biggest risk to the world economy
The Telegraph ^ | 11/15/2009 | Ambrose Evans-Pritchard

Posted on 11/15/2009 12:42:40 PM PST by bruinbirdman

Far from taking over as the engine of growth from an exhausted West, China is making matters worse. Its "beggar-thy-neighbour" policies continue to play havoc with global trade and risk tipping the world into a second leg of the Great Recession.

"The inherent problems of the international economic system have not been fully addressed," said China's president Hu Jintao. Indeed not. China is still exporting overcapacity to the rest of us on a grand scale, with deflationary consequences.

While some fret about liquidity-driven inflation, Justin Lin, World Bank chief economist, said the greater danger is that record levels of idle plant almost everywhere will feed a downward spiral of job cuts and corporate busts. "I'm more worried about deflation," he said.

By holding the yuan to 6.83 to the dollar to boost exports, Beijing is dumping its unemployment abroad – "stealing American jobs", says Nobel laureate Paul Krugman. As long as China does it, other tigers must do it too.

Western capitalists are complicit, of course. They rent cheap workers and cheap plant in Guangdong, then lobby Capitol Hill to prevent Congress doing anything about it. This is labour arbitrage.

At some point, American workers will rebel. US unemployment is already 17.5pc under the broad "U6" gauge followed by Barack Obama. Realty Track said that 332,000 properties were foreclosed in October alone. More Americans have lost their homes this year than during the entire decade of the Great Depression. A backlog of 7m homes is awaiting likely seizure by lenders. If you are not paying attention to this political time-bomb, perhaps you should.

President Obama said before going to China this week that Asia can no longer live by shipping goods to Americans already in debt to their ears. "We have reached one of those rare inflection points in history

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: commies; culture; government
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1 posted on 11/15/2009 12:42:41 PM PST by bruinbirdman
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To: bruinbirdman

To the extent that the Chinese are killing off inefficient businesses and driving down production costs and wages they are doing the world a favor. Making things cheaper means more people can have more things. Any argument to the contrary is just rent-seeking. What does one suppose we did to the British in the 19th century?


2 posted on 11/15/2009 12:47:29 PM PST by SeeSharp
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To: bruinbirdman
At some point, American workers will rebel.

And do what? You can't force people to pay you.

3 posted on 11/15/2009 12:48:17 PM PST by fanfan (Why did they bury Barry's past?)
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To: fanfan

The risk is of tarriffs as a populist policy, followed by a trade war.


4 posted on 11/15/2009 12:53:01 PM PST by buwaya
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To: bruinbirdman

Wal-Mart!


5 posted on 11/15/2009 12:55:10 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: buwaya

Which will make the crisis worse.

Did none of todays leader read anything about the lessons of the great depression?


6 posted on 11/15/2009 12:55:47 PM PST by fanfan (Why did they bury Barry's past?)
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To: fanfan

The Great Depression was caused by a reduction of the US money supply by 1/3, not protective tariffs. In fact, both Harding and Coolidge, both conservative, advocated and maintained high tariffs during the economic boom of the 1920’s.


7 posted on 11/15/2009 1:03:02 PM PST by Fingolfin
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To: SeeSharp

You are right. We should take advantage of low cost Chinese manufacturing to bring down the cost of goods so we can all afford them. I hear the Chinese can build our aircraft carriers, Stealth Fighters, Agesis radars much cheaper than our high cost American contractors.


8 posted on 11/15/2009 1:05:04 PM PST by Fee (Peace, prosperity, jobs and common sense)
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To: buwaya

The risk is of tarriffs as a populist policy, followed by a trade war.


And Free Trade with Communist China has worked?

Probably could use a good trade war to stimulate the economy....and create jobs. Neither is being done by Liberal Free Trade Globalism.

We can continue to subsidize Communism in China with Free Trade....or we can start fixing our US economy. As an American, and a real conservative, I prefer fixing our American economy


9 posted on 11/15/2009 1:06:56 PM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (The Return of America)
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To: Fee
I hear the Chinese can build our aircraft carriers, Stealth Fighters, Agesis radars much cheaper than our high cost American contractors.

If that were actually true then we probably would be buying weapons from them. Why do you think other countries buy weapons from us?

10 posted on 11/15/2009 1:12:01 PM PST by SeeSharp
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To: Fingolfin

Protectionism never works, and you don’t want to be sending you gold to other countries right about now.


11 posted on 11/15/2009 1:19:13 PM PST by fanfan (Why did they bury Barry's past?)
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To: Fingolfin

The Great Depression was caused by a reduction of the US money supply by 1/3, not protective tariffs. In fact, both Harding and Coolidge, both conservative, advocated and maintained high tariffs during the economic boom of the 1920’s


Good points....and it has been only a recent trend by some to blame “protectionism” and “Americanism” on the Great Depression....which was not the case.

It is sad that a large number of GOP have adopted the George Soros mantra of Free Trade...note that most of the liberal Democrats (Gore, the Clintons, and many others) are unabashed Free Traders.

Our economy will never improve as long as we continue Free Trade deals that ship American wealth and jobs to Communist China, and other places. The supporters of Free Trade have no clue, or explanation, on how Free Trade has led us to our current economic situation


12 posted on 11/15/2009 1:20:05 PM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (The Return of America)
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To: Fingolfin
The Great Depression was caused by a reduction of the US money supply by 1/3, not protective tariffs.

Statist mythology. The Fed tried everything to inflate the money supply but the banks wouldn't take the money (kinda like now). Deflation was an result of the depression, not a cause. The cause was the inflation carried out by the Fed during the preceding decade.

No matter how many times that Fed idolizing myth gets told it isn't going to be true.

And yes, of course protectionism made everything worse. How could reducing foreign trade by 60% not harm the economy?

13 posted on 11/15/2009 1:20:10 PM PST by SeeSharp
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To: UCFRoadWarrior
"Probably could use a good trade war to stimulate the economy....and create jobs."

There seems to be some good cheap labor unused in the Western Hemisphere.

Haven't heard much about Hussein taking his Secretary of State on this trip.

Did he take his Energy Commissar and former director of Socialists International, Carol Browner?

Perhaps The Obammunist is getting some private pointers from his comrades in Communist China.

yitbos

14 posted on 11/15/2009 1:23:12 PM PST by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds.")
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To: UCFRoadWarrior
the George Soros mantra of Free Trade...note that most of the liberal Democrats (Gore, the Clintons, and many others) are unabashed Free Traders.

Pardon me but what are you smoking?

Soros and the rest are all Socialists who support central planning. You can't get any more protectionist than that. They are all also big union supporters. None of them support free trade. Clinton had it shoved down his throat by the conservatives when he was in office.

15 posted on 11/15/2009 1:24:23 PM PST by SeeSharp
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To: fanfan
“You can't force people to pay you.”

In a just world that would be true, but in Obama’s America the UAW seems to have done so.

16 posted on 11/15/2009 1:24:40 PM PST by Red Dog #1
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To: bruinbirdman
Its "beggar-thy-neighbour" policies

Is that beggar or bugger?

17 posted on 11/15/2009 1:26:49 PM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: bruinbirdman

As Chinese workers demand better pay and conditions, and they will, this equation will even out. Of course we’ll all be dead when that happens, such is life.


18 posted on 11/15/2009 1:27:45 PM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: bruinbirdman

Bump


19 posted on 11/15/2009 1:30:49 PM PST by WashingtonSource
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To: fanfan

you = your


20 posted on 11/15/2009 1:36:36 PM PST by fanfan (Why did they bury Barry's past?)
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