Full Text of the House Dem "Advanced Care Planning" end-of-life consultation

JEFFHEAD.COM ^ | August 9, 2009 | Jeff Head

[Jeff Head]

Please, red through this, make up your own minds, and then share it with your family, friends, neighbors...and most importantly, your reps.

EZEKIEL EMANUEL AND THE OBAMA CARE FINAL SOLUTION
(Must Read - Sick, eugenics quotes of Emanuel)

OBAMA CARE BY THE NUMBERS

[Jeff Head]

The link to the Exekiel Emanuel quotes in the body of the thread has a typo,it should be:

THIS HERE - http://www.jeffhead.com/finalsolution.htm

Sorry, my bad.

[stormer]

Try as I might, I can't seem to find anything about a “death panel”. A majority of medical costs occur in the last stages of life, and unfortunately most people don't plan ahead (living wills, heath care directives, DNRs, etc). I don't see anything wrong with folks developing a strategy to ease the transition for themselves and their families.

[Republic]

What does it mean, "stake holders"? And what in HELL is the bar association showing up as one got to do with anything?

BTW----------Where in the HELL is tort reform withing the 1000 plus pages of this tome from the depths of hell?

[Republic]

Do you mean the actual WORDING of ‘death panel’? OF COURSE those words are not in the plan....the death panel refers to the statistics that will be set that determine who has a nice enough quality of life, determined again, by the death mongers, to earn a few more years of life using equipment needed to support that life. IE...are those dependent on that expensive ozygen contributing members to society, etc.

[Little Bill]

(5)(A) For purposes of this section, the term ‘order regarding life sustaining treatment’ means, with respect to an individual, an ACTIONABLE medical order relating to the treatment of that individual

Explain Actionable

[hinckley buzzard]

if, subject to paragraph (3), the individual involved has not had such a consultation within the last 5 years. Such consultation shall include the following:

Sounds peremptory to me.

[hinckley buzzard]

"orders for life sustaining treatments"

In case anyone is in doubt as to the meaning of this phrase--it is an Orwellian bureaucratic device to refer to orders ending life, not sustaining it. Things like "no heroic measures," "palliative (comfort) care only" and the alltime fave, "Do Not Resuscitate."

[Jeff Head]

Oreders for life sustaining treatment:

is guided by a coalition of stakeholders includes representatives from emergenc medical services, emergency department physicians or nurses, state long-term care association, state medical association, state surveyors, agency responsible for senior services, state department of health, state hospital association, home health association, state bar association, and state hospice association

There is no problem with people doing this for themselves, with their Doctor, you know, the one they chose, and their familites...it's when statists and others want to interject government and their "complete lives" calculations and government bureaucrats and "stake holders" that is the issue.

With me and most people I know.

Here's a clue. If you want top consult with the government on your end of life issues...knock yourself out. But don't try and force it on me and mine or most folks I know.

My mother has severe diminsia. She's 84 years old and we take care of her and get her the treatment she needs. Ezekiel believes such people should not get any treatment.

We have done this for five years and my mother has interacted with her great grandkids...and they with her. Government will not deprive me of that experience as long as I draw breath. God may...and I have faith in Him and His timing and control of such matters. But not the governemtn.

[Jeff Head]

Amen.

[ArchAngel1983]

As God is my witness; when Obama-Care leaves me for dead I swear I will take as many of these bastards with me as I can! I mean, what the hell are they going to do about it…kill me?

[Jeff Head]

That’s because it is.

[mel]

Obama/Dems are masters at double speak, remember it all depends on what the definition of “is” is.

[Turret Gunner A20]

Ping

[SAJ]

You expected to see the term 'death panel' used by the statists? How disingenuous. You would argue that these 'consultations' do not (or will not, very shortly) evolve into de facto death panels? How utterly naive. Goobermint has never -- never means not once -- acquired any power that it has not, typically sooner than later, abused. And so here. And so, already, in the UK. Read up on their vaunted 'National Plan', boyo.

Nothing wrong with folks developing a strategy to 'ease the transition'...VOLUNTARILY, on their own hook. EVERYTHING is wrong when goobermint gets involved with 'developing' such 'strategies'.

[Jeff Head]

I' afraid if they ever get this implemented (God forbid), then in a few years when it is entrenched and they start trying to pull this end-of-life bravo sierra on Korean and Vietnam War vets...you see a lot of the "two-fer" and "take some with you" thoughts coming into play.

But I intend to do all in my power to never let it get that far.

Defeat it now...spread the word to all you know. Put the fear of God and the voters into these reps now so they fear their own constituents more than they fear Pelosi or Obama and it goes down.

Or, failing that, neuter the quislings in 2010 and turn it back thereafter, and particularly after we run the ringer out of the Whitehouse in 2012.

[hinckley buzzard]

--------‘‘(iii) A program for orders for life sustaining treatment for a States described in this clause is a program that— ...‘‘(IV) is guided by a coalition of stakeholders includes representatives from emergenc medical services, emergency department physicians or nurses, state long-term care association, state medical association, state surveyors, agency responsible for senior services, state department of health, state hospital association, home health association, state bar association, and state hospice association.

The death panel will have a benign title, something like "Advanced Care Planning Healthcare Coalition." You have to realize, bills are written to deliberately obscure as much as they delineate and define. That's how they get people to go along with the music without reading the words.

[stormer]

[Alamo-Girl]

In my view, the most piercing question to put to a baby boomer is "why do you think this section exists at all?"