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What the CIA hid from Congress [Ms. Harman, You are Covering-Up For Ms. Pelosi!]
LATimes ^ | July 25th 2009

Posted on 07/25/2009 10:45:24 PM PDT by Steelfish

What the CIA hid from Congress

Were members of congressional intelligence committees told everything about the Bush administration's surveillance programs? Not even close, reveals Jane Harman.

By Jane Harman

July 25, 2009

As ranking member on the House Intelligence Committee from 2003 to 2006, I was part of the so-called Gang of Eight -- a group made up of the House and Senate leaders plus the chairs and ranking members of the two chambers' intelligence committees that is required by law to be briefed on the CIA's "covert" action programs.

Those briefings were conducted roughly quarterly at the White House -- either in the vice president's office or the Situation Room. Most of the ones I attended concerned a code-named program now known as the Terrorist Surveillance Program. Respectful of the double oath I signed to protect highly classified material, I did not take notes or speak to anyone about the meetings.

However, comments by Michael Hayden, former director of the National Security Agency and the CIA, that the Gang of Eight was "fully" briefed on the TSP prompt me to disclose, for the first time, what they were like.

In virtually every meeting, Hayden would present PowerPoint "slides," walking us through the operational details of the TSP. The program has since been described, in part, as one that intercepted communications to and from the U.S. in an effort to uncover terrorist networks and prevent or disrupt attacks. We were told that the program was the centerpiece of our counter-terrorism efforts, legal and yielding impressive results.

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It is now clear to me that we learned only what the briefers wanted to tell us -- even though they were required by law to keep us "fully and currently informed."

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cia; harman

1 posted on 07/25/2009 10:45:24 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

Why don’t they just go ahead and tell the terrorists the best way to KILL US?!


2 posted on 07/25/2009 10:56:29 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: kcvl

So much for that ‘double oath’.

Did she actually say anything here?

Other than... OMG, they used POWERPOINT “Slides”

and OMG, we only learned what the briefers told us...


3 posted on 07/25/2009 11:04:48 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad
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To: Pikachu_Dad
and OMG, we only learned what the briefers told us...

There is a reason for that, obviously. Like maybe, the program wasn't USED! How long do you think it would take the CIA to 'brief' them on EVERYTHING they were THINKING of using?! And how long do you think it would take one of these LOUD MOUTHS to LEAK IT?!

4 posted on 07/25/2009 11:18:36 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: kcvl

Expand your thinking a bit and wrap your head around what she actually just said in this article.

‘They only learned what the briefers wanted them to learn’

I’ll bet there are some people fuming over the CIA over the stupid politics these folks are playing with them!!!


5 posted on 07/25/2009 11:39:36 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad
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To: Pikachu_Dad

Jane Harmon is a Nancy Pelosi water carrier. Enough said!


6 posted on 07/26/2009 12:32:56 AM PDT by Catsrus
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To: Pikachu_Dad

“they only learned what the briefers wanted them to learn”

I think she is REALLY talking about what 0 and the dems are doing to US citizens.


7 posted on 07/26/2009 2:22:36 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: Steelfish

Okay, so now we are impugning the reputation of General Hayden.

Let’s see, where did I put that popcorn.


8 posted on 07/26/2009 3:59:09 AM PDT by Bahbah (Only dead fish go with the flow)
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To: Steelfish

Jane Harman knew nothing until she read it in the press....and then it was fact for her.

Until then, she asked no questions, made no comments and just sat there like a typical brainless dimwit who really could not grasp the subject matter at hand.


9 posted on 07/26/2009 4:10:13 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: Steelfish

http://www.collinsreport.net/2009/04/21/source-says-democrat-jane-harmon%e2%80%99s-denial-%e2%80%9cis-bull-st%e2%80%9d-%e2%80%9cit%e2%80%99s-true-she-was-on-there%e2%80%9d/


10 posted on 07/26/2009 4:22:49 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: Steelfish

What the CIA hid from Congress Pelosi,Reid and obama I hope.


11 posted on 07/26/2009 4:31:03 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: Vaduz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEOrA7DeeMk


12 posted on 07/26/2009 9:05:16 AM PDT by PaxMacian
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To: Bahbah

A flash back

TOPIC: Foreign Policy & Defense
May 25, 2006
Senator Barack Obama
Floor Statement General Michael Hayden Nomination
Complete Text

Mr. President.

Let me start by saying that General Hayden is extremely well qualified for this position. Having previously served as head of the National Security Agency and as Deputy Director of National Intelligence under John Negroponte, he has thirty years of experience in intelligence and national security matters. And he was nearly universally praised during his confirmation to deputy DNI.

Unfortunately, General Hayden is being nominated under troubling circumstances as the architect and chief defender of a program of wiretapping and collection of phone records outside of FISA oversight. This is a program that is still accountable to no one and no law.

Now, there is no one in this Congress who doesn’t want President Bush to have every tool at his disposal to prevent terrorist attacks - including the use of a surveillance program. Every single American - Democrat and Republican — who remembers the images of falling towers and needless death would gladly support increased surveillance to prevent another attack.

But over the last six months, Americans have learned that the National Security Agency has been spying on Americans without judicial approval. We learned about this not from the Administration, but from the New York Times and USA Today. Every time a revelation came out, President Bush refused to answer questions from Congress.

This is part of a general stance by this Administration that it can operate with no restraints. President Bush is interpreting Article II of the Constitution as giving him authority with no bounds. The Attorney General and a hand full of scholars agree with this view, and I don’t doubt the sincerity with which the President and his lawyers believe this constitutional interpretation. However, the overwhelming weight of legal authority is against the President on his unbounded authority without any checks or balances. This is not how our Constitution is designed.

We don’t expect the President to give the American people every detail about a classified surveillance program. But we do expect him to place such a program within the rule of law, and to allow members of the other two coequal branches of government - Congress and the Judiciary - to have the ability to monitor and oversee such a program. Our Constitution and our right to privacy as Americans require as much.

Unfortunately, we were never given the chance to make that examination. Time and again, President Bush has refused to come clean to Congress. Why was it that 14 of 16 members of the Intelligence Committee were kept in the dark for four and a half years? The only reason that some Senators are now being briefed is because the story was made public. Without that information it is impossible to make the decisions that allow us to balance the need to fight terrorism while still upholding the rule of law and privacy protections that make this country great.

Every democracy is tested when it is faced with a serious threat. As a nation, we have to find the right balance between privacy and security, between executive authority to face threats and uncontrolled power. What protects us, and what distinguishes us, are the procedures we put in place to protect that balance, namely judicial warrants and congressional review. These aren’t arbitrary ideas. These are the concrete safeguards that make sure that surveillance hasn’t gone too far. That someone is watching the watchers.

The exact details of these safeguards are not etched in stone. They can be reevaluated from time to time. The last time we had a major overhaul of the intelligence apparatus was 30 years ago in the aftermath of Watergate. After those dark days, the White House worked in a collaborative way with Congress through the Church Committee to study the issue, revise intelligence laws and set up a system of checks and balances. It worked then and it could work now. But unfortunately, this Administration has made no effort to reach out to Congress and tailor FISA.

I have no doubt that General Hayden will be confirmed. But I am going to reluctantly vote against him to send a signal to this Administration that even in these circumstances President Bush is not above the law. I am voting against Hayden in the hope that he will be more humble before the great weight of responsibility that he has, not only to protect our lives, but to protect our democracy.

Americans fought a Revolution in part over the right to be free from unreasonable searches - to ensure that our government couldn’t come knocking in the middle of the night for no reason. We need to find a way forward to make sure that we can stop terrorists while protecting the privacy, and liberty, of innocent Americans. We have to find a way to give the President the power he needs to protect us, while making sure he doesn’t abuse that power. It is possible to do that. We have done it before, we could do it again.


13 posted on 07/26/2009 1:09:20 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad
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To: Vaduz

What did they know and when did they know it.

It seems that Ms. H’s claims are old soap.

Apparently the big O knew about it in 2006 - and brayed it to the entire Senate.


14 posted on 07/26/2009 1:11:18 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad
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To: Pikachu_Dad
I am voting against Hayden in the hope that he will be more humble before the great weight of responsibility that he has, not only to protect our lives, but to protect our democracy.

God should have struck him dead right there.

15 posted on 07/26/2009 1:14:13 PM PDT by Bahbah (Only dead fish go with the flow)
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