Posted on 05/29/2009 9:07:30 AM PDT by Glenn
It seems it will always be John F. Kennedy's deathday in Dallas -- not his birthday -- that we will observe, and that which, even now, almost 46 years later, still fills a dark, anguished corner in the national psyche. JFK, the most famous initials of our lifetime. Strange that Lincoln's deathday goes by with barely a whisper.
But today is Kennedy's birthday, born 92 years ago at 83 Beals Street in Brookline, Massachusetts. Can you imagine, a 92-year-old Jack Kennedy?
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YOUR OPINION ALONE!
You are a jerk.
Jesus came to Earth and hung around with prostitutes and with tax collectors. He did not tell the rest of us to be whores or to become tax collectors.
We are NOT required to condemn and damn every “liberal Icon” that has ever lived.
In fact, it is hard to prove our points, with liberals, if we do not QUOTE liberals, in making some of those arguments.
Jesus, himself, brought up the "Good Samaritan" to shame the Jews, precisely because the Jews of that time looked down on, and shunned, the Samaritans, but the Samaritan, at least on one issue, shone much brighter than the Pharisees and other Jews. Also, I would suggest that you DO suffer some obvious mental weaknesses.
The worst of which is: projection, RE, “diarrhea of the keyboard” -— I have defeated you, soundly, in honest debate, and you prove my point by using insults, avoiding the points on which you have been defeated, and by bringing up “straw man” arguments that I never brought up or mentioned, in the first place. My tactic, of using the words of liberals, against liberals, is EFFECTIVE! So much so, that Lloyd Benston found the need to strike down Dan Quayle, since Quayle was making very good use of the JFK quotes, up until the time of the famous "You are no Jack Kennedy" debate. You can not attack MY tactic without addressing the fact that nearly EVERY great communicator, including Jesus, Rush, Reagan and countless others, have used the words of their enemies to convince the public of the righteousness of their cause.
OMG! First came JFK, then Reagan, Rush and Kemp. Now you’re associating yourself with Jesus Christ. ROTFLMBO
You’re a hypocrite, a phony and a fraud and you don’t have an ounce of brains. Not to mention being a naive adolescent. You don’t know the first thing about politics or life. Grow up, get educated, get informed and then then come back to debate. I’ll be around when you’re ready.
Until then, you’re welcome to remain ignorant and dumb.
So much so, that it entirely possible that YOU are the liberal, on a mission, here, to discourage conservatives from using JFK as an example, since you know that JFK was a tax cutting supply sider, and you KNOW that JFK's quotes have been used, before, to defeat the liberal “progressive income tax” ideas.
You have lost this debate.
You are an ill mannered, ill informed pompous ass. That you PRESUME to speak for Free Republic and other posters, is itself a dead give away.
“How many times must I say FR is a conservative site? We do not support abortionism, homosexualism, feminisim, environmentalism, gun control, liberalism, socialism, etc, etc, etc. When I say I suspect we will become even more conservative than we already are, possibly via attrition if nothing else, what do you think I’m referring to? When FR starts pushing hard and I mean hard against abortion, gay marriage, homosexual education forced on our school children, pandering to illegal aliens, gun control, McCaine-Feingold type usurpation, global warming, etc, etc, even if supported or advanced by the GOP, then I fully suspect certain types of moderate/liberal Republican supporters are probably going to be a little uncomfortable here. We will be fighting for traditional American conservatism no matter who we have to fight against and I’m afraid that’s going to piss off some folks.”
~~~ Jim Robinson, 3/2/07 LINK
Take you liberal loving JFK and your appeal to liberals and moderates and stuff it where the sun don't shine.
I have gone to FEDERAL COURT, personally, to defend the right to life, and to protect First Amendment Rights of prolifers.
I am an NRA member.
I am a former Marine.
I am a business owner.
I have been fighting for supply side economics my entire life.
You can not paint me as a “liberal” on a single issue, not ONE!
Yet, you persist is your bullying and your name calling and your boorish behavior.
If I take you at your word, that YOU are a “conservative” then it would seem that you disagree with me on tactics and style.
In other words, my style offends YOUR ego!
Grow up!
This is the last time I will ever address you, directly or indirectly, and I am going to ask the moderator to take a look at this exchange between us.
While I admit that I am not perfect, and may have allowed you to get under my skin, I think you have violated a few rules on this thread.
Not the least of which is that you have NO authority to “boot” or “kick out” anyone, and no authority to speak for Free Republic.
Have a good day.
I am done with you.
Hypothetical questions can't be answered. We'll never know what Jefferson or Lincoln or FDR or Eisenhower would think or do if they were alive today.
On the one hand, you've got what they said at the time, but on the other hand, there are the pressures that would push them this way or that in a different environment.
It's easier to hazard a guess about JFK than the others. Kennedy started out as a rather moderate or conservative Democrat who couldn't even bring himself to condemn Joseph McCarthy, but he became such a creature of the liberal establishment that he probably would have followed his brothers leftward.
Most Democratic Presidents do move leftward after leaving the White House. The dinner invitations come from liberals. They like the attention of a former president and the president's like their attention.
As long as you choose to lionize liberal icons like JFK and promote the inclusion of liberals and moderates into the conservative fight against the leftist forces of evil, I will be in your face and you will remain on defense.
If you ever come to your senses and change your mind about all this JFK loving/liberal-moderate BS, I'll be glad to reevaluate my opinion of you. Right now, you're outside the conservative mainstream of Free Republic and that is where you belong.
Dolores Hope was 100 this week.
I have to agree with Reagan Man here. I think back to the reaction from freepers when Chris Kennedy announced he's running for the Senate. Given how the Kennedy klan is universally loathed among conservatives, I never understood why some conservatives claim it's most well known member was a "conservative" and "would be a Republican today". This sounds like a fairly new example of history revisionism.
When I grew up in a Republican family in the 1980s, nobody lionized JFK. Indeed, quite the opposite, here in Illinois we grew up hearing how his daddy stole the 1960 election with the help of crooked Mayor Daley and how Kennedy was a mobbed up playboy who turned his back on his "Catholic values" and whose main goal was to bed as many woman as possible. My mother went to a Catholic girls grade school at the time of Kennedy's election, and she talks about how the worst thing growing up was all the nuns openly biased and telling kids they had to support Kennedy because he was a fellow Catholic.
John K. Kennedy c. 1960 was even too liberal for then "fellow Democrat" Ronald Reagan, as Reagan was a "Democrat for Nixon" in 1960. He switched parties two years later.
Freepers honestly believe that even though every politically active member of the Kennedy klan is a liberal (even nominal "Republicans" like brother-in-law Ahnuld), JFK was a conservative? Even though his immediate relatives like his brothers and his daughter are all socialists and say their policies were inspired by growing up with him? Are we to believe the Kennedy klan "changed" since the 60s and "used" to be conservative? Bobby Kennedy in the mid 60s during his brother's heyday sure didn't seem remotely "conservative" to me.
I went back and watched the JFK-Nixon debates from 1960 a couple years ago. Reagan Man is correct, JFK distinguished himself from Nixon by hailing the Democrat's party's "legacy" of social welfare programs that occurred during the Wilson-Roosevelt-Truman years, and depicted the Republicans as mean, miserly, heartless types for having opposed all those programs. JFK promised to continue down that path with his "New Frontier" program. He promises all kinds of goodies for the public, but was strangely silent on the details of how he would pay for it.
Take away his staunch anti-communist dictators stance, and his initial push to cut taxes his first year in office (it would be similar to trying to argue ultra RINO Christie Todd Whitman is conservative because her first action was to cut taxes), and JFK seems liberal across-the-board on everything else. I seriously doubt Kennedy would be a "Republican" if he was alive today, especially if he grew up in today's Massachuttes Kennedy klan (he's probably be even more liberal and pushing gay marriage). The only type of "Republican" Kennedy could have been in office is one that promises fiscally conservative but governs as a socialist, a la Kennedy kousin Ahnuld.
It's true Kennedy didn't get much "historic" liberal legislation passed during his administration. I would say it basically boils down to two reasons: 1) JFK was a political lightweight at the time, didn't have much experience in office, and owed his political career to daddy. and 2) JFK was killed suddenly in the middle of his first term and didn't have enough time or enough Democrats in power to enact much of agenda. Once the more skilled LBJ took over, he successfully pushed through most of the proposals his predecessor had wanted -- indeed, one of the biggest reasons for LBJ getting those things passed was to invoke JFK's speeches and tell Congress that they had to pass it as a tribute to his memory. An example was the disastrous 1965 immigration 'reform' act that caused the floodgates we have today. This was a pet project of his brother Ted, and President Johnson. The 1965 immigration act was based entirely on a outline JFK had put out two years earlier calling for legislation that would "reform" immigration by removing border security measures and end quota limitations on immigrants from third world countries with little skills.
I remember reading a review on David Zucker's "An American Carol" about how JFK is depicted as the Marley-type who tells Michael Moore to change his ways, and the reviewer noted "conservatives have now co-opted JFK as one of their own. You've got to me kidding me, right?". I can see his point. Conservative Republicans in Kennedy's heyday absolutely despised the man, he barely won that election yet now conservatives are taking an icon of the left (and make no mistake, the left still loves him) and claiming him as one of our guys. I don't get it. Is Sam Rayburn a great role model for conservatives too?
Good Post. If JFK were alive today, he be just like Ted Kennedy. Speaking of Tedddy, he was once pro-life during the 1960s. He decried legalizing abortion to be human rights abuse. Of course once Roe was handed down by the High Court, he quickly changed his tune.
Those Republicans who “claim” JFK as a conservative are ignorant of the full facts or else are doing it willfully because he’s something of a rat icon and think it’s useful to co-opt him.
I found one of the debates on you tube just the other day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6Xn4ipHiwE
Listen to his opening statement and tell me he’s not a typical rat. And don’t forget all the fraud on his behalf that gave him the victory, including the irrelevant stealing of Hawaii by overzealous rats.
Lots of rats in the past didn’t like commies.
Now certainly he was the best rat President of the 20th century but
a)That means NOTHING given his competition.
b)He died early
Johnson is regarded by many conservatives as our worst President ever. JFK would have probably tried to do most of the same things, great society, bungling Vietnam. Had he had 8 years...
“My mother went to a Catholic girls grade school at the time of Kennedy’s election, “
My mom went to Catholic school too. When asked who(’s parents) were for Nixon her’s and ONE other hand went up.
I hate you both.
LOL!
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