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To: calenel

If someone, anyone, can show me a legitimate source that contradicts my position I will happily acknowledge it and convert. Thus far it has not been forthcoming.

The legitimate and primary source is the U.S. Constitution, Fourteenth Amendment, and a correct reading of it which should not be hard to do if one is of rational mind and understands the English language. To me its meaning is crystal clear. Obama is not a natural born citizen. And, as Berg states in his suit, not even a U.S. citizen. His whole presidential election is based on fraud and deception.


79 posted on 12/04/2008 2:31:38 AM PST by flaglady47 (Four years of captivity, no relief in sight)
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To: flaglady47
"The legitimate and primary source is the U.S. Constitution, Fourteenth Amendment, and a correct reading of it which should not be hard to do if one is of rational mind and understands the English language. To me its meaning is crystal clear. Obama is not a natural born citizen. And, as Berg states in his suit, not even a U.S. citizen. His whole presidential election is based on fraud and deception. "

I presume you are specifically referring to Section 1 of the 14th Amendment which says:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

How does this contradict my position? If you look at the first clause "All persons born or naturalized in the United States" it describes two, and only two types of citizen: born or naturalized. Where is this apocryphal 'born a citizen but not natural born' type? Where is the redefinition of 'natural born' that means something other than 'having [that] attribute from birth'? Regarding the second clause,

"Congress' intent in including the qualifying phrase 'and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,' was apparently to exclude from the reach of the language children born of diplomatic representatives of a foreign state and children born of alien enemies in hostile occupation, both recognized exceptions to the common-law rule of acquired citizenship by birth, as well as children of members of Indian tribes subject to tribal laws. The lower courts have generally held that the citizenship of the parents determines the citizenship of children born on vessels in United States territorial waters or on the high seas.' according to the SCOTUS. From FindLaw

88 posted on 12/04/2008 3:04:21 AM PST by calenel (The Democratic Party is a Criminal Enterprise. It is the Socialist Mafia.)
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