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To: wndawmn666

You go through a lot of tortured logic to prove that the 14th amendment does not set the standard for who is elligible to be president. We all know that. What you don’t seem to realize is that the 14th amendment sets a standard for people being born in the U.S. as citizens. If you are born as a U.S. citizen, you are a natural born citizen, and therefore elligible to be president under whatever article it is that sets that standard.

Again, there are only two types of citizens: natural born and naturalized. Natural born citizens posess the “same level of citizenship” as naturalized citizens, as you say, except as regards elligibility to be president. There is no seperate category of citizenship called “born citizens under the 14th amendment” who are not natural born citizen. If you are born a citizen under the 14th amendment, you are a natural born citizen, because that’s what it means to be a natural born citizen: to be born a citizen.


652 posted on 12/05/2008 6:37:42 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane

The Constitution doesn’t recognize ‘naturalized citizens of the United States.

The Constitution recognizes TWO types of citizens:

Natural born citizens of the United States
and
Citizens of the United States

Is there a place in the Constitution that says ‘naturalized citizens of the United States’ cannot be President? No, there isn’t.

Article II, Section 1:

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.

Unless a ‘citizen of the United States’ was around at the time the Constitution was adopted, they cannot serve as President today.

Our Founding Fathers were ‘citizens of the United States’. They made provisions for themselves to be able to serve as President but that provision expired long ago. James Buchanan was the first President that had to be a natural born citizen in order to serve as President.

The 14th Amendment ONLY defines ‘Citizens of the United States’. It doesn’t not define ‘Naturalized citizens of the United States’. A person that goes through the naturalization process is considered a ‘citizen of the United States’.

Let’s say this. Everyone that is a ‘citizen of the United States’ gets a blue sticker.

Everyone that is a natural born citizen gets a red sticker.

Arnold gets a blue sticker. He is a citizen of the United States because he was naturalized here. He is NOT a ‘naturalized citizen of the United States’. The 14th Amendment says anyone naturalized in the United States is a ‘citizen of the United States’.

Anchor Baby (provided his parents aren’t foreign diplomats, enemies of the US, or native Indians) gets a blue sticker. Wong Kim Ark was a ‘citizen of United States’ by virtue of being born on US soil.

Barack gets a blue sticker. He is a citizen of the United States because he was born on US soil to a British Subject and a US citizen.

This is from FactCheck:

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children…”

Please read the last line. How can a Natural born citizen’s status be ‘governed’ by Great Britain?


723 posted on 12/06/2008 9:07:22 AM PST by wndawmn666
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