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To: BP2

That was a surprisingly balanced report. However, given this passage:

“Donofrio, following the rules of the procedure for the Supreme Court, re-submitted the application as an emergency stay in accordance to Rule 22, which states, in part, that an emergency stay can be given to another justice, which is the choice of the petitioner.”

what is up with the headline?

By the way, this case cannot win. I’m pretty sure it’s solid tradition for all children born on U.S. soil, regardless of dual citizenship, to be considered U.S. citizens at birth. Although we don’t technically recognize dual citizenship, we don’t demand that in order to be a citizen you must renounce all other national ties.


4 posted on 12/03/2008 11:54:36 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane
By the way, this case cannot win. I’m pretty sure it’s solid tradition for all children born on U.S. soil, regardless of dual citizenship, to be considered U.S. citizens at birth.

For the gazillionth time... The Constitution requires that the President be a Natural born citizen, not just a citizen.

Natural Born

8 posted on 12/03/2008 11:56:19 PM PST by TChris (So many useful idiots...)
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To: Tublecane

Are you still confused on the citizen part?


14 posted on 12/04/2008 12:04:51 AM PST by dianed
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To: Tublecane
By the way, this case cannot win. I’m pretty sure it’s solid tradition for all children born on U.S. soil, regardless of dual citizenship, to be considered U.S. citizens at birth.

You're correct about the automatic granting of US citizenship, but that's not what this case is about. It's about Natural Born Citizenship

There is a great deal of difference. Only a Natural Born Citizen can become President. For that, you have to be born on US soil, to two US parents.

So yes, the case IS going somewhere. Justice Thomas would not have taken it otherwise.

25 posted on 12/04/2008 12:27:08 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Tublecane
You're correct about the automatic granting of US citizenship...

Little correction here, to my statement above.

US citizenship it's not actually "automatic", but it is true that it is being given to children born of illegal aliens. This is entirely due to mis-interpretation of the 14th Amendment.

30 posted on 12/04/2008 12:43:00 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Tublecane
I’m pretty sure it’s solid tradition for all children born on U.S. soil, regardless of dual citizenship, to be considered U.S. citizens at birth.

Of course Obama is a citizen.

However, he's not a "natural born citizen." His father was a Kenyan. Google the law: Perkins v. ELG, 307 U.S. 325 (1939).

87 posted on 12/04/2008 2:58:46 AM PST by Beckwith (Typical white person)
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To: Tublecane

“By the way, this case cannot win. I’m pretty sure...”

I can’t believe you put these two thoughts back to back. Either you know or you don’t know. If you don’t know — as you indicate here — then how do you know the case cannot be won?


128 posted on 12/04/2008 4:53:44 AM PST by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: Tublecane
I’m pretty sure it’s solid tradition for all children born on U.S. soil...

How do you know that Obama was born on US soil?

167 posted on 12/04/2008 6:02:28 AM PST by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: Tublecane

“pretty sure” and “solid tradtion” do not apply when interpreting the Constitution.


197 posted on 12/04/2008 6:51:29 AM PST by Helen
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To: Tublecane

“... we don’t demand that in order to be a citizen you must renounce all other national ties.”

at one point in time, during my more productive years, foreign nationals becoming naturalized US citizens, were required to denounce their previous citizenship.


205 posted on 12/04/2008 7:03:32 AM PST by elpadre (nation)
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To: Tublecane
That was a surprisingly balanced report.

With exception of whomever it was who coined the title to the article -- Thomas isn't "forcing" anything, as the writer correctly states it, he is asking his colleagues to consider. Geez.

279 posted on 12/04/2008 9:47:09 AM PST by MozarkDawg
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To: Tublecane
This case will not win because the Supreme Court will recognize that the separation of powers concept prohibits them from stepping in.

And this is different from 2000 when the Gore campaign wanted to cherry-pick the counties to be re-counted. That was an equal protection argument which, contrary to what the left wants people to believe, passed 7-2 by the Nine.

539 posted on 12/04/2008 9:23:32 PM PST by CaptRon (Perdicaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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To: Tublecane
we don’t demand that in order to be a citizen you must renounce all other national ties...

Sure we do. Have you read the Oath of Allegiance?

The oath of allegiance is:

"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."

892 posted on 12/07/2008 10:33:44 AM PST by Velveeta
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