Thomas Breaks Tradition: Forces Supreme Court to Look at Obama Citizenship Case

THE AFRO-AMERICAN NEWSPAPERS ^ | 12/3/08 | James Wright, AFRO Staff Reporter

[slnk_rules]

Interesting story. I once visted an old dilapidated house in Port Arthur which housed FIVE families of Vietnamese. They were saving their money to 1) pay cash for houses (they hate interest!) and 2) send their kids to school.

Every single one of those kids wound up in life sciences (medicine), engineering, or computer science.

[50sDad]

Might make Obama the "false prophet" and Pelosi the Anti-Christ, a fact which I am perfectly ready to believe.

[flaglady47]

“How does this contradict my position? If you look at the first clause “All persons born or naturalized in the United States” it describes two, and only two types of citizen: born or naturalized. Where is this apocryphal ‘born a citizen but not natural born’ type? Where is the redefinition of ‘natural born’ that means something other than ‘having [that] attribute from birth’? Regarding the second clause,”

I’m not going to do your research for you. Go read what our founding fathers had to say about this clause and then get back to me. You obviously are having trouble figuring out the meaning by reading the Constitution itself. I can’t help you, or should I say I won’t help you. Now don’t be lazy about doing the research. You asked the question, you research it to figure out the answer if you need more proof. Will be looking forward to hearing the results of your research.

[Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)]

“Is that why he never raised the issue during the campaign???”

I thought that from the beginning and said so.

[DooDahhhh]

Pelosi does not have the brains to be the AntiChrist. You are giving her way too much credit.

[koraz]

The discussion on the merits of the case is interesting. More interesting, however, is that this is a fairly accurate presentation of the issues and the Donofrio case.

And, it is on the FRONT page of this website!!

I wonder how many people read this site.

[motoman]

I agree. Does any aspect of Donofrio’s case even challenge the actual location/country of Obama’s birth? If not, then it’s even a greater longshot.

[Lee'sGhost]

“By the way, this case cannot win. I’m pretty sure...”

I can’t believe you put these two thoughts back to back. Either you know or you don’t know. If you don’t know — as you indicate here — then how do you know the case cannot be won?

[kpp_kpp]

kinda funny the attempt there to alter our constitution.

funny because it doesn’t help their cause — instead, by placement of the comma there, it requires all US presidents to have been alive at the time of the adoption of the Constitution.

[Newtiebacker]

“I’m not going to do your research for you. Go read what our founding fathers had to say about this clause and then get back to me. You obviously are having trouble figuring out the meaning by reading the Constitution itself. I can’t help you, or should I say I won’t help you. Now don’t be lazy about doing the research. You asked the question, you research it to figure out the answer if you need more proof. Will be looking forward to hearing the results of your research.”

He’s meticulously and comprehensively done just that—repeatedly. His question was rhetorical—such a distinction doesn’t exist as those selfsame founding fathers clarified in their very first Act of Congress.

What’s missing is the evidence that contradicts that, which is what you were asked for, but naturally you cannot provide it—being as it doesn’t exist and all.

[real_patriotic_american]

Obama’s own grandmother indicates that she was present when Obama was born in Kenya.

http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244

[motoman]

“This citation proves that because Obama was NOT born in America, and his mother was under 21, and his father was not a US citizen, he is NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, and therefore cannot serve as President.”

But Donofrio’s case is not even contending that Obama was NOT born in America. (Or is this also included in his case?)

Again, if Donofrio is challenging Obama’s citizenship based strictly on his father’s citizenship status, and not the actual place of birth, then this case is most likely a dead issue.

Can someone explain as to whether Donofrio’s case is also demanding that Obama’s original birth records be unsealed?

[bvw]

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Hear,hear.

[nanetteclaret]

***the citizenship of his father, who was a Kenyan national and subject of Great Britain.***

Which just proves the point about divided loyalty which the Founding Fathers were trying to make. Given the stories floating around about Obama’s visit to Kenya and his meddling in their election, it would certainly seem that he has divided loyalties. Not to mention the fact of all his relatives still in Kenya.

[Roccus]

Does any aspect of Donofrio’s case even challenge the actual location/country of Obama’s birth?

ICBW, but I believe Donofrio's case does....albeit in a round-about manner.

He is suing the NJ SoS for not vetting BHO or the other candidates as to their Constitutional qualifications for office. If the NJ SoS did not vet the candidates, Donofrio wins and SCOTUS would rule that such vetting must take place. If the NJ SoS did vet the candidates, then whatever bona-fides (e.g. birth certificates) were used by the candidates must be presented.

Either way, IMO, this will require the release of BHO's birth certificate which may show that he was not born in HI.

My .02

[jwparkerjr]

Again, the argument is not that Obama is not a citizen, but rather the kind of citizenship he enjoys. The Constitution makes it perfectly clear that there is a difference as to the means by which you claim citizenship when it comes to being the President. Obviously the Founders considered it important since they took the time to spell it out.

[GBA]

“There is no way that anyone can argue about whether Barack Obama is a citizen,” Singer said. “In this country, we have a system known as jus soli or birthright by citizenship. You are a citizen by being born on American soil and he (Obama) was born in Hawaii.”

Really? Prove it. How hard can it be to simply put the matter to rest with the proper document? By withholding proof, Obama is forcing all these different people to to spend who knows how much money and time on something he could clear up in a minute.

The longer this continues, the more it looks like he truly is not qualified to be POTUS and not just by birth. No matter how this ends, he has shown his lack of character and is not a man worthy of respect, nor the office of President. He cannot be trusted nor counted upon to do the right things on behalf of We, The People.

God bless Justice Thomas. He is a man I most definitely respect and admire.

[Sacajaweau]

This last statement is what I have been saying all along...Total allegiance...not “mixed” allegiance.

[so_real]

"It doesn't mention a requirement for both parents to be citizens ..."

"And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born ..."

It does not say "the children of a citizen" or the "children of any citizen" --- it says "the children of citizens". That's two ... plural ... mom ... dad ... easy stuff.

If you want to mince words and re-interpret the phrase to mean "any citizen", you must consider original intent, which was to protect the new USA from British insurgence immediately following the Revolution. The Founders, however, were forward thinking and realized that through their heirs, this new democratic nation (or any democratic nation for that matter) could be usurped via the machinations of government.

Their verbiage reflects their desire to see that those children raised under the influence of foreign laws and governments, or who may have an interest in foreign laws and governments, would *not* be eligible to direct the government of this nation. It is clear, logical, and for the good of us all -- even if it flies in the face of your chosen candidate. I support it. All patriots should.

As a leader, neither Obama or McCain is worth opening this Pandora's box. I'd toss them both for the good of the nation before rewriting the protections in our Constitution against foreign powers. It is that simple.