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Georgia: [Ukraine] blockade threat risks escalating conflict
The Times ^ | 8/14/2008 | Tony Halpin

Posted on 08/13/2008 8:29:59 PM PDT by bruinbirdman

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F! Russia and the feckless lot of Old Europe

Our new allies are in Eastern Europe. Let’s get with the program and help them.


61 posted on 08/13/2008 10:17:10 PM PDT by willgetsome
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To: angrymarine

Ukraine= Poland? Cremeia = Danzig corridor? Russians will buy time and talk nice for a while. They need to digest what they have swallowed.


62 posted on 08/13/2008 10:22:54 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: piytar

If it was feasible, h*** lets give them some F-18’s with a full compliment of weaponry.


63 posted on 08/13/2008 10:32:00 PM PDT by valkyry1
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To: bruinbirdman

I’ve always wanted to observe the live testing of a nuclear weapon... Never guessed it would be detonated directly over my head!


64 posted on 08/13/2008 10:49:42 PM PDT by JDoutrider (Obama: The Hype and Chains candidate)
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To: bruinbirdman

We should probably be making sure our strategic oil reserves are in order.

Drill Here, Drill Now, Or Die.


65 posted on 08/13/2008 10:54:22 PM PDT by Tramonto (Regime change in Russia)
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To: bruinbirdman

Good to see some spine out there. Russia could soon find that everyone around them has drawn down on them instead of curling up in a ball. Your move, Pooty.


66 posted on 08/13/2008 11:04:28 PM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin '36 ... Olympics for murdering regimes. ... Beijing '08)
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To: bruinbirdman

To all those “cooler heads”.

I give you this quote.

When men fear work or fear righteous war, when women fear motherhood, they tremble on the brink of doom; and well it is that they should vanish from the earth, where they are fit subjects for the scorn of all men and women who are themselves strong and brave and high-minded.

As it is with the individual, so it is with the nation. It is a base untruth to say that happy is the nation that has no history. Thrice happy is the nation that has a glorious history.

Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat.

If in 1861 the men who loved the Union had believed that peace was the end of all things, and war and strife the worst of all things, and had acted up to their belief, we would have saved hundreds of thousands of lives, we would have saved hundreds of millions of dollars.

Moreover, besides saving all the blood and treasure we then lavished, we would have prevented the heartbreak of many women, the dissolution of many homes, and we would have spared the country those months of gloom and shame when it seemed as if our armies marched only to defeat.

We could have avoided all this suffering simply by shrinking from strife.

And if we had thus avoided it, we would have shown that we were weaklings, and that we were unfit to stand among the great nations of the earth.

Thank God for the iron in the blood of our fathers, the men who upheld the wisdom of Lincoln, and bore sword or rifle in the armies of Grant! Let us, the children of the men who proved themselves equal to the mighty days, let us, the children of the men who carried the great Civil War to a triumphant conclusion, praise the God of our fathers that the ignoble counsels of peace were rejected; that the suffering and loss, the blackness of sorrow and despair, were unflinchingly faced, and the years of strife endured; for in the end the slave was freed, the Union restored, and the mighty American republic placed once more as a helmeted queen among nations.

Theodore Roosevelt “The Strenuous Life”


67 posted on 08/13/2008 11:19:47 PM PDT by PanzerKardinal
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To: PanzerKardinal
"As it is with the individual, so it is with the nation. It is a base untruth to say that happy is the nation that has no history. Thrice happy is the nation that has a glorious history."

Alas, Putin is not happy with the history of Russia. Twice great (Czars, Commies), he is looking for the Thrice Happy. The guy was born a proud commie and saw the capitalists destroy his country. He believes what you posted above.

yitbos

68 posted on 08/13/2008 11:28:39 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." - Ayn Rand)
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To: bruinbirdman

I heard the Russkies buzzed the plane with the Ukraine, Latvian, Lithuanian, Estonia and Polish Presidents and forced them to land at a different airfield for that Georgia show of support.

I would blockade them just for that B.S.


69 posted on 08/13/2008 11:31:01 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: BurbankKarl

Humanitarian aid was unloaded Wednesday from a United States military cargo plane at the airport in Tbilisi, Georgia

70 posted on 08/13/2008 11:35:55 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: BurbankKarl

Women fled the Georgian village of Patara Garedhvari on Wednesday afternoon. Elene Chalavari (far back) said a soldier showered in her home. She said she persuaded the soldier not to touch her daughter Nino (pictured in front with her face covered).

71 posted on 08/13/2008 11:36:59 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: knyteflyte3
...and it wasn't last week. The disagreements regarding both S Ossetia and the Black Sea fleet are years old.
72 posted on 08/13/2008 11:42:51 PM PDT by endthematrix (Congress, Get Off Your Gas, And Drill!)
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To: PanzerKardinal

Another historic speech but with frightening similarities.

All these forces, added to the other deterrents which combinations of Powers, great and small, ready to stand firm upon the front of law and for the ordered remedy of grievances, would have formed, might well have been effective.

Between submission and immediate war there was this third alternative, which gave a hope not only of peace but of justice.

It is quite true that such a policy in order to succeed demanded that Britain should declare straight out and a long time beforehand that she would, with others, join to defend Czechoslovakia against an unprovoked aggression.

His Majesty’s Government refused to give that guarantee when it would have saved the situation, yet in the end they gave it when it was too late, and now, for the future, they renew it when they have not the slightest power to make it good.

All is over. Silent, mournful, abandoned, broken, Czechoslovakia recedes into the darkness.

She has suffered in every respect by her association with the Western democracies and with the League of Nations, of which she has always been an obedient servant.

[...]

We are in the presence of a disaster of the first magnitude which has befallen Great Britain and France.

Do not let us blind ourselves to that.

It must now be accepted that all the countries of Central and Eastern Europe will make the best terms they can with the triumphant Nazi power.

[...]

I do not grudge our loyal, brave people, who were ready to do their duty no matter what the cost, who never flinched under the strain of last week - I do not grudge them the natural, spontaneous outburst of joy and relief when they learned that the hard ordeal would no longer be required of them at the moment; but they should know the truth.

They should know that there has been gross neglect and deficiency in our defences; they should know that we have sustained a defeat without a war, the consequences of which will travel far with us along our road; they should know that we have passed an awful milestone in our history, when the whole equilibrium of Europe has been deranged, and that the terrible words have for the time being been pronounced against the Western democracies:

“Thou art weighed in the balance and found wanting.”

And do not suppose that this is the end.

This is only the beginning of the reckoning.

This is only the first sip, the first foretaste of a bitter cup which will be proffered to us year by year unless by a supreme recovery of moral health and martial vigour, we arise again and take our stand for freedom as in the olden time.

Winston Churchill speaking on The Munich Agreement, October 5, 1938. House of Commons


73 posted on 08/13/2008 11:44:22 PM PDT by PanzerKardinal
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To: rjp2005

The Iranian regime is the lapdog of Moskow. Same goes for Venezuela and Syria. Without Russian backing, they’d be flakes by now. Sure we should apply some REAL pressure on Russia’s imperialist extensions in the Middle East, but we should go after the brain as well.


74 posted on 08/13/2008 11:48:16 PM PDT by SolidWood (God Bless Georgia and grant them victory over Russia!)
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To: Sleeping Freeper
The Russians ALWAYS have a plan and they planned this in detail and even rehearsed it several months ago.

The counter is to knock them off their plan like JFK did. You have to sucker punch them out of left field - something they would have never even envisioned in a bad dream!

For example; recall the ambassador, caution foreigners to leave Russian and that there is the potential for a state of war to exist, and go to Def con 2; and for grins, reinstitute the old SAC 24 hour bomber flights to the Russian northern border.

Then look into Putin's eyes and tell me what you see!

75 posted on 08/13/2008 11:48:16 PM PDT by Herakles (Diversity is code word for anti-white racism)
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To: Herakles
For example; recall the ambassador, caution foreigners to leave Russian and that there is the potential for a state of war to exist, and go to Def con 2; and for grins, reinstitute the old SAC 24 hour bomber flights to the Russian northern border.

Then look into Putin's eyes and tell me what you see!

"Medvedev, bring me some friggin' Vodka..."

76 posted on 08/13/2008 11:55:46 PM PDT by SolidWood (God Bless Georgia and grant them victory over Russia!)
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To: SolidWood
Good! Very good! I like the way you think. I'm going to keep an eye on you! (S.Kenison)
77 posted on 08/14/2008 12:08:24 AM PDT by Herakles (Diversity is code word for anti-white racism)
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To: SolidWood
"The Iranian regime is the lapdog of Moskow. Same goes for Venezuela and Syria. Without Russian backing, they’d be flakes by now. Sure we should apply some REAL pressure on Russia’s imperialist extensions in the Middle East, but we should go after the brain as well."

Indeed.

78 posted on 08/14/2008 12:19:46 AM PDT by maclay (America First - The rest of the world comes second)
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To: Dawnsblood

He can have whatever opinion that he wants. I’m just reminding him that what seems like such a great idea from the comfort of his armchair requires the blood of others. There are WAY too many armchair generals around. I’m supposed to feel shame for such and obvious and level headed comment? Sorry, I feel more disgusted by people like that than I do anything else.


79 posted on 08/14/2008 4:12:43 AM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: Ramzi Al Kaboom

Another from the New Line LOTR:

“Events are in motion which cannot be undone.”


80 posted on 08/14/2008 5:03:55 AM PDT by Old Sarge (CTHULHU '08 - I won't settle for a lesser evil any longer!)
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