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1 posted on 07/26/2008 12:06:03 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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He has cheapened political discourse and hurt defenseless children

Didn't hurt anybody but some vested interests. Didn't hurt them much. Political discourse is already dirt cheap.

12 posted on 07/26/2008 12:22:14 PM PDT by RightWhale (I will veto each and every beer)
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I missed the show from which the "In 99 percent of the cases ..." quote originated. Subsequently, Michael talked as if the statement was "in some cases" as opposed to the implied almost all. If the source of the statement is Media Matters, then I completely discount it. If it was hyperbolie after making the initial statement that autism is over diagnosed, then it is a context fault. It is going to take a lot more than a National Review article to make me side with Media Matters, knowing their M.O.
13 posted on 07/26/2008 12:23:00 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (College kid: "Do you have a minute for Obama?" NVA: "Not now or ever.")
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Autism is a brain disorder that affects everything from social communication to physical coordination.

Being a spastic geek is now a brain disorder?

15 posted on 07/26/2008 12:24:57 PM PDT by garbanzo (Government is not the solution to our problems. Government is the problem.)
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Savage’s comments were wrong and harmful.

Not nearly half as wrong/harmful as the daily comments of Reid/Pelosi/Murtha/Schumer/NYTimes, etc, etc.

17 posted on 07/26/2008 12:27:02 PM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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Hmmm, that’s interesting.


19 posted on 07/26/2008 12:28:06 PM PDT by Snurple
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Savage’s comments were wrong and harmful.

Only for any poor soul who takes Savage seriously, as if he has anything to add to the discussion.

I've known a couple of autistic kids. One was(is) much older than 2 or 3. To suggest that expenditure of a life is an act...well, you would need to be as goofy as Savage make such a connection.

Still, I doubt Savage believes it. Heck's bells, there was a time some years ago when I listened to Savage because I thought he actually made a scintilla of sense. Then, after the fifth or sixth time he spun into some tangential rant about some bark at the moon, I realized he sells his wares as do professional wrestlers.

Now, I used to enjoy professional wrestling. To this day I think the best of the wrestlers of those days took seriously their duty to be entertainers, salesmen. The marginal wrestlers did little except provide a supporting cast. If Savage took his audience seriously, he might improve at least to the level of supporting cast. After all this time, though, I don't really expect it.

20 posted on 07/26/2008 12:29:50 PM PDT by stevem
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The liberal website Media Matters has spearheaded the backlash against Savage’s autism comments. Understandably, conservatives might be uneasy about siding with such an outfit. Savage has tried to exploit such feelings by casting his critics as PC leftists. But just because the folks at Media Matters oppose child abuse, it doesn’t follow that we conservatives should accept it just for the sake of disagreeing with them.

Look up "The Delphi Technique".

22 posted on 07/26/2008 12:30:31 PM PDT by an amused spectator (Wikipedia: The Truth Was Out There, but it was reverted...)
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Savage has cited respectable commentators who suggest that many kids with the autistic label are merely late talkers. His defense fails on two counts. First, these commentators don’t speak in the hateful language that he has used...

Boo-hoo. I have never listened to Savage, I don't even know what his voice sounds like. But this criticism is crybaby stuff. "His science is wrong because he hurt my feelings" should not be coming out of the mouth (or pen) of anyone, let alone a professor (even a "professor of government", which itself is a frightening thing).

If we allowed the purveyors of perpetual victimhood free reign, nobody would be "normal", every last person would have some "condition" attached. "Subclinical" this, "asymptomatic" that, "high functioning", "spectrum disorders", etc etc etc. Legitimate terms, warped beyond any rational medical meaning, are used to feed a spectrum of interests (pharmaceuticals, adult babysitters therapists, folks who just want more handouts, crappy parents looking to shift the blame).

When I was a kid, words like awkward, shy, and withdrawn, or energetic, loud, and troublemaker, were used to describe children now "diagnosed" with autism or ADHD. The supposedly blighted children (by today's standards) are all normal functioning adults today. Hell, I probably would have been labeled autistic because I mixed (informal) sign language and English in near equal proportions until age 4. Is that unusual? YES! Is it a medical condition? Of course not.

If anything, projecting ones own hypochondria is a mental sickness that needs to be addressed.

23 posted on 07/26/2008 12:30:34 PM PDT by M203M4 (True Universal Suffrage: Pets of dead illegal-immigrant felons voting Democrat (twice))
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Savage can say anything he wants. Others are free to whine about what he says, or like I do, ignore him.


25 posted on 07/26/2008 12:31:50 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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Evidently you didn’t listen to what Savage and his guests were talking about. And Media Matters is one of the most dishonest sites on the internet...quite an accomplishment. Most important, if you’re going to be duped by the PC police and Media Matters slime, don’t put the rest of your ignorance on display by concluding that Savage is really a liberal working to give conservatives a bad name. Hagel and McCain have done enough of that for several lifetimes.


29 posted on 07/26/2008 12:35:22 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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So now some guy from the moderate rag National Review who obviously has an agenda against Savage is now the 'expert' on the Autism legitimacies? Ha, this gets more interesting by the day.

(hint)Liberals predominate the medical profession so beware when they suggest your kid needs to be medicated. I would get as many opinions as possible and then some before coming to any conclusions about my kid.

34 posted on 07/26/2008 12:40:28 PM PDT by whatisthetruth
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The statement was hyperbole, the point being parents are being told by their doctors that their toddlers and grade-schoolers have a this or that condition that requires a lifetime of medication.

I can only imagine if some of the worlds most productive and smartest people had been told they were not normal and began medication to suppress the undesired 'condition'.

36 posted on 07/26/2008 12:41:14 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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I just think he is a dickhead and his radio show blows. He is the Howard Stern show version of issues oriented talk radio, except that Stern’s show is a little more intellectually oriented. Sorry Savage fans, had to get that off my chest, no offense intended...JFK


40 posted on 07/26/2008 12:44:43 PM PDT by BADROTOFINGER (Life sucks. Get a helmet.)
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No one should ever attack a special interest group that wants tax dollars.
42 posted on 07/26/2008 12:47:32 PM PDT by Mark was here (The earth is bipolar.)
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Savage should stick to politics, which he knows a lot about, and stay away from autism, which he obviously knows nothing about, despite being right on some superficial political issues regarding it.


45 posted on 07/26/2008 12:53:44 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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For about 8 years I coached soccer at a local parks league.

I’ll never forget one spring when I have about 220 kids and had them all organized into 5 on 5 games with the help of the kids on my team.
I’d walk around and supervise as my kids would instruct and referee. During one game I heard one kid yelling very foul language and blew my whistle and stopped play. I called the foul mouthed kid over and told him NO ONE speaks like that on MY pitch.
His mom came running over and protested that he had Tourhetts.
I told her I didn’t give a damn if he was on fire if he yelled the f bomb again either he or the other 219 kids were off.
I never heard the kid swear again.


53 posted on 07/26/2008 1:00:11 PM PDT by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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I look at pharmacy like i look at the military industrial complex. A lot is necessary, you don’t know if you need it or not until you try it, and there is an underlying profit motive pushing back.


55 posted on 07/26/2008 1:01:45 PM PDT by Selmore (Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.)
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But just because the folks at Media Matters oppose child abuse, it doesn’t follow that we conservatives should accept it just for the sake of disagreeing with them.

Your position is that because Savage speaks out against a racket that diagnoses kids as mentally ill just to sell medicines he is a child abuser? Do you really expect anyone to take you seriously after you throw out charges like that?

57 posted on 07/26/2008 1:03:17 PM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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David Klinghoffer to speculate that his act is a giant liberal put-on, a “lefty's cartoon mental picture of a ranting right-wing caveman.”

That was my feeling when I first encountered Savage almost ten years ago. He is such an extreme caricature of the angry white male that nobody could actually believe what he says. Besides his background as an academic, it seems to me that his real complaint is rejection by his liberal colleagues because they didn't want another white Jewish male tenured professor.

63 posted on 07/26/2008 1:09:38 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Make all taxes truly voluntary)
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Supportive mail for you.

My spouse was a special ed teacher for 36 years.

72 posted on 07/26/2008 1:18:43 PM PDT by Peter Libra
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