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Security Increased for FLDS Hearing Today
Deseret News ^ | Tuesday, June 24, 2008 | Ben Winslow and Pat Reavy

Posted on 06/24/2008 9:41:49 AM PDT by Alice in Wonderland

SAN ANGELO, Texas — A court-appointed attorney for a 16-year-old FLDS girl caught up in a grand jury investigation will go to court today under armed guard. Natalie Malonis confirmed to the Deseret News she has received death threats since she sought a restraining order against a high-profile member of the Fundamentalist LDS Church to prevent him from contacting her client.

"I've been getting death threats and I am being provided a security detail," she said this morning. "That was not even at my request. Law enforcement recognized the need for it."

Malonis said she did not know who has made the threats. She represents four FLDS members — including Pamela Jeffs, for whom she was praised by FLDS supporters when she managed to secure additional rights in court for the woman once declared by Texas authorities to be a minor.

Malonis' 16-year-old client, meanwhile, has fired off several e-mails asking her to step aside.

In e-mails sent to the Deseret News and posted on pro-FLDS Web sites, Teresa Jeffs accuses her court-appointed lawyer of not acting in her best interest.

"My attorney is going against my wishes. Maybe you need a restraining order that you can absolutely have nothing to do with me and you have to stay 1,000 feet away from me! What do you think of that?" she wrote in an e-mail to Malonis.

Jeffs has been subpoenaed to testify Wednesday before a grand jury investigating crimes involving FLDS members. The Texas Attorney General's Office said it could not find Jeffs to subpoena her, and Malonis went to court seeking a restraining order against FLDS member and spokesman Willie Jessop. In court papers, she accused Jessop of coercing the girl to avoid the subpoena and interfering with her relationship with her client. Judge Barbara Walther signed a temporary restraining order that technically prevents Jeffs' mother from allowing her daughter to have any contact with Jessop. A hearing on a more permanent restraining order will be held this afternoon.

On Monday, Malonis said she spoke with the attorney for Jeffs' mother, but no agreement could be reached.

"I hoped we could, but no ... ," she told the Deseret News.

Malonis said she is prepared to call witnesses and present evidence to suggest that the girl is being intimidated and pressured by FLDS members. The judge is not expected to consider Jeffs' request for a new lawyer.

Rod Parker, a Salt Lake attorney acting as a spokesman for the FLDS, believes Malonis is not following her court-appointed duties. Because Malonis is Teresa Jeffs' attorney ad litem and not her guardian ad litem, her job is to be an advocate for the child, he said.

"I think that she's really out on a limb in doing what she's doing and injuring her own client in a very public way," Parker said. "This is just a very unhealthy and dysfunctional attorney-client relationship. The court ought to grant Teresa's wish and give her another lawyer. This system of justice does not work appropriately when attorneys and their clients are at odds with each other." When the Texas Supreme Court ordered the hundreds of children taken in the April 3 raid to be returned to their parents, Jeffs was exempted.

Malonis said in court papers it was because the girl was an identified sex-abuse victim who had been "spiritually united" to an older man at 15. A special order was put in place for Jeffs, preventing her from contacting her father — FLDS leader Warren Jeffs — and a man named Raymond Jessop, who was not further identified.

The Deseret News normally does not name sex-abuse victims, but the girl has gone public in media interviews and in an e-mail forwarded to the Deseret News. She insists she is not a victim. In her e-mail, the girl said neither Willie Jessop nor Raymond Jessop has ever threatened her.

"That have treated (sic) so very kindly," she wrote.

Jeffs wrote in the communication with Malonis that she did not want the grand jury subpoena, but acknowledged being served.

"Well, they want me to appear before a grand jury. I do not have confidence in you and how can I get you to help me in such a situation that I am in when it feels like to me all you are doing is going against me," she wrote. "So, that is the reason that I am asking you to step aside and let me do what I need to do to and get me a different attorney."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: flds; lds; religionbashing
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To: patton

If I’m not being too nosy, what does a mathematician do?

I worked with numbers but I was a lowly payroll manager.


581 posted on 06/28/2008 4:21:20 PM PDT by Alice in Wonderland (4-Hshootingsports.org)
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To: Alice in Wonderland

“what does a mathematician do?”

Whatever he - or she - wants to do, of course.

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582 posted on 06/28/2008 4:27:16 PM PDT by patton (cuiquam in sua arte credendum)
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To: Saundra Duffy
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583 posted on 06/28/2008 4:32:05 PM PDT by Alice in Wonderland (4-Hshootingsports.org)
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To: UCANSEE2
I haven’t seen the Keate video, so I don’t know if he was a drooling idiot

Mr. Keate conveniently forgot he had a daughter when asked about underage marriages on a TV interview. Willie Jessop backed up Mr. Keate's claim that all the Keate children were boys. In another TV interview, they showed photos of their daughter . . .

584 posted on 06/28/2008 4:36:30 PM PDT by Alice in Wonderland (4-Hshootingsports.org)
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To: UCANSEE2

Word is that there are two 60-acre parcels of land six miles north of Mancos that might have had a population increase recently.


585 posted on 06/28/2008 4:39:38 PM PDT by Alice in Wonderland (4-Hshootingsports.org)
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To: deport
Things in a grand jury can last for months before indictments are brought or the GJ retires.

That's exactly what Sheriff Doran said:

"Schleicher County Sheriff David Doran said it might take months for the state to lay out its case. Investigators were still in the process of sorting through the hundreds of boxes of evidence collected during its weeklong raid of the sect's ranch in April as well as results collected from DNA tests, he said.

"We expect this will be a long process," Doran said."

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586 posted on 06/28/2008 4:42:47 PM PDT by Alice in Wonderland (4-Hshootingsports.org)
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To: Oztrich Boy
. . . for the real blood, gore, and guts, indictments flying . . .

Just a bit of poetic license.

587 posted on 06/28/2008 4:45:13 PM PDT by Alice in Wonderland (4-Hshootingsports.org)
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To: Jim Robinson

Unfortunately, Jim, I believe it was the recent primaries and the wide latitude anti-Romney posters were given here on FR in their wild-eyed, over the top, baseless accusations towards not just the candidate but his religion as well. As a result, some who opposed Romney specifically for his religion, saw that latitude as an implicit endorsement of their views. Primaries are a rough and tumble, often confusing time, politically speaking, and there are those who use that confusion to spread their views that otherwise wouldn’t be socially acceptable during any other time. Opposing someone based on their religion is simply not acceptable in most cases in the eyes of most Americans and those who do so can’t openly admit to this so, they use a cover story like the “He’s a liberal” rant as a trojan horse for their own views. My two cents, for what its worth.


588 posted on 06/29/2008 5:30:56 AM PDT by Reaganesque
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To: Elsie

Why are you offended by it? If it is so offensive to say that someone else is wrong, why do you do the very same thing?


589 posted on 06/29/2008 5:40:25 AM PDT by Reaganesque
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To: Reaganesque; Saundra Duffy
This thread has been totally hijacked.

Being a Fred supporter, I was never on any Romney thread. I had never heard of the FLDS prior to the raid in April but became interested in their story. As a result, I find myself in the middle of what seems to be an LDS vs. ? war.

I have been accused of being anti-mormon and of "bashing" their religion. Nothing could be further from the truth. I'm from the east coast. I have never met a Mormon and my knowledge about them is very limited. The rumors I have heard are: they stock food, have a great choir, and they were the marrying kind. They seem to be a wholesome, family oriented group with some quirky ideas.

But then I tried to post a thread about the videos the LDS have recently added to their website: LDS Church publishes more clarification on polygamy stance. It was pulled immediately, before any comments, for trolling.

Yet Saundra Duffy's Church Seeks to Address Public Confusion Over Texas Polygamy Group, an almost identical article still stands.

Can someone tell me what's going on? It sure seems like favoritism to me and it's leaving a bad taste in my mouth.

Also, and this is just a personal observation, there seems to be a lot of whiners and whingers within a certain group who hit the abuse button just a bit too much. Sort of reminds me of the rioting Muslims, almost anything and everything is an offense.

590 posted on 06/29/2008 8:22:20 AM PDT by Alice in Wonderland (4-Hshootingsports.org)
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To: Alice in Wonderland

Careful there, you’re not supposed to pull the covers off of the particular bias you’ve recognized. Posters get suspended or banned for that. And if you decided to make it known that you’re leaving FR because of the bias, you’ll be denigrated as having ‘opussed’.


591 posted on 06/30/2008 8:23:38 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Reaganesque
"... wild-eyed, over the top, baseless accusations towards not just the candidate but his religion as well."
"Opposing someone based on their religion is simply not acceptable in most cases..."

Take a look in Breaking News.
WaPo After Free Republic Again, Now Over Barack-is-a-Muslim Email

Or how about a topic search?
Link

592 posted on 06/30/2008 8:32:28 AM PDT by Enosh (†)
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To: Reaganesque; Saundra Duffy; Elsie; Alice in Wonderland; MHGinTN
*Tick-tick* I'm sure someone will gallop in on a white horse soon to rescue poor Obama from these baseless attacks on his religion...
593 posted on 06/30/2008 8:52:02 AM PDT by Enosh (†)
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To: Alice in Wonderland
Watch it Alice, you are teetering on the brink of extremism here...

Telling the truth can be like that in some places..

594 posted on 06/30/2008 9:08:28 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery.)
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To: Reaganesque
Yes, of course, and you Romney folks were so innocent, not posting pictures of Jeri and a hooker, or a stripper pole or spreading rumors about Fred's illness etc, all the while never addressing Mitt's POLITICAL shortcomings...

I think you will find that many posters had little issue with Mitt's religion, mainly because his issues for Conservatives were more than enough. Indeed it was not until after he dropped that I became interested in the issues of his faith, mainly due to the hypocritical nature of some of his adherents here. I never once in any debate addressed it before he dropped out. His stances were easy enough prey...

Spare me, send me your paypal address and I'll forward that two cents...

595 posted on 06/30/2008 9:16:08 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery.)
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To: ejonesie22

I always thought it was those Rudy folks that did the Fred bashing. They were good at bashing Romney too. When I researched history it was the Rudy folks afraid of Fred coming on strong that were the most vocal in spreading unfounded rumors about Fred.


596 posted on 06/30/2008 9:23:30 AM PDT by commonguymd (Freedom and individual liberty is for everyone, including the odd and weird people like you.)
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To: Reaganesque

Reaganesqe,

My 2 cents to you...

I believe Romney is a moderate to liberal, who knew
that to be Prez he needed to move to the right. He even
hired consultants to help him do it. This would have been
completely unnecessary, if he was a conservative.

I also said forthrightly that I was uncomfortable in
voting for a moromon for Prez. So was a huge swath of
the United States, according to many polls.

Some could, I couldn’t. I wasn’t willing to violate my
conscience. I didn’t oppose him because of his religion.
I couldn’t vote for him because of my own.

Fortunately, his liberalism made that decision unnecessary -
and the fact he dropped out before my state had a primary...

In my experience, FReepers who defended mormonism brought
much of the more intense criticisms upon themselves by the
way they responded.

And of course, even though I disagree with you over the
issue of mormonism, I like you as a FReeper.

ampu


597 posted on 06/30/2008 9:51:23 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: commonguymd
The had good and indeed in some instances more vile competition from the “clean cut” set...
598 posted on 06/30/2008 12:08:51 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery.)
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To: Reaganesque; Jim Robinson

He’s dead Jim. You grab his wallet I’ll grab his tricorder.


599 posted on 06/30/2008 2:14:57 PM PDT by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: Reaganesque

Problem is, his true record was recorded on film. He couldn’t lie his way out of it.


600 posted on 06/30/2008 2:19:36 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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