France: Officials put out Olympic torch 3 times (badly traumatized Chicom torch)

I am sick of the Chicoms, too. The next city scheduled for the torch to go through should put out the fire and send the torch back to China unlit.

What I did not predict is that poeple would come to the rediculas conclusion that someone was purposely trying to poision people.

It really all comes down to people that do not understand the difference between diethylene glycol and propelyene glycol, the later by the way being a regular ingredient in many foods you consume.

While these incidents may not be intentional poisonings, some of them certainly involve a callous indifference to the possibility of harm. The replacement of heparin by oversulfated chondroitin sulfate was obviously a very sophisticated fraud. Similarly the addition of (nitrogen-containing) melamine to raise the apparent protein content of wheat gluten was a fraud.

As for diethylene glycol, it appears that it was substituted for the (more expensive) glycerin rather than propylene glycol. "Glycerine and diethylene glycol are similar in appearance, smell, and taste." - Wikipedia.

While these incidents may not be intentional poisonings, some of them certainly involve a callous indifference to the possibility of harm. The replacement of heparin by oversulfated chondroitin sulfate was obviously a very sophisticated fraud. Similarly the addition of (nitrogen-containing) melamine to raise the apparent protein content of wheat gluten was a fraud.

Indeed there was fraud involved in the two cases you cite. But where is the quality control of the companies that are purchasing these items? They have a responsibility to know what they are buying.

As for diethylene glycol, it appears that it was substituted for the (more expensive) glycerin rather than propylene glycol. "Glycerine and diethylene glycol are similar in appearance, smell, and taste." - Wikipedia.

It is definately callous indifference as you point out above. It is also called understanding the conditions in which one is doing business and adjusting for them. While a U.S. buyer may never think someone would do such a thing, that is his job to know purchasing conditions.

U.S. companies are already getting goods on the cheap in China. What, they want to save on quality control also! Did the U.s. company that bought the toothpaste have anyone at the factory while the toothpaste was being produced? that may sound like an odd question to some, but it is not.

Anyhow, good detail you bring. I think we agree.

BTW - Communists and their apologists can expect to have claims strongly challenged on FR. Free people will tend to challenge those who support oppressive totalitarian regimes.

My hope for you is that you realize that by failing to fight for freedom you are dooming your child(ren) and grandchildren to oppression. They will not honor your life when you leave them a legacy of oppression.

Freedom!

(in case you missed my reply to you earlier - you never replied.)

“But where is the quality control of the companies that are purchasing these items? They have a responsibility to know what they are buying.”_BJ

You are correct in a sense. Buyers should very aware that goods from China are likely to fraudlently labelled and marketed. Therefore, until Chinese producers can raise their credibility to acceptable standards, extreme caution should be exercised when buying Chinese, and other sources that are trustworthy should be considered first.

I think we agree.

PS - How do you like the legacy of oppression that you are building for you decendants? Do you think they will admire you for the legacy you leave them, or think you to be cowards for passing them the mantle of communism?