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Florida People, Officials Differ On Immigration (Illegals)
The Ledger (Lakeland, FL) ^ | Feb. 25, 2008 | Carole E. Leenyt

Posted on 02/25/2008 12:18:09 PM PST by flattorney

- - Two-thirds of Florida voters say they want tougher government action against illegal immigration.
- - The Florida Legislature convenes March 4, 2008

And, on the surface at least, the Florida Legislature is responding. A dozen bills calling for stronger immigration enforcement and regulations have been filed in the Legislature this year - more than double the number last year. The movement is in step with dozens of other states, which are trying to confront illegal immigration themselves in the absence of federal reform. But in a state with the third-largest immigrant population in the country - an estimated 3.5 million - these bills already face resistance from business- and immigrant-advocacy groups.

And top leaders in state government are not showing much support, either. Gov. Charlie Crist and House Speaker Marco Rubio, who have been at odds on many issues, have shown no signs of pushing tougher immigration laws. "The agriculture and construction and hospitality industries in Florida would collapse without undocumented immigrants," said Rep. David Rivera, a Miami Republican and close friend of Rubio. "The prospects for success for these types of proposals are dim."

Some leading Republicans see a harsh stance on immigration as a losing position for the GOP, which has slipped in approval among the nation's fastest-growing voting bloc: Latinos, who now represent11 percent of registered voters. "Politicians that use this as a wedge issue, it's a loser," former Gov. Jeb Bush said of immigration in an October interview with The Hoover Institution. "To totally disarm a group that is the only group that is growing in our country … we do it at our peril. It's wrong and it's stupid." (RINO, “Poppa Bush Cartel” Barf Alert – FlA)

The bills in Florida's Legislature would, among other things, penalize farmers and government contractors caught hiring undocumented workers, place stricter regulations on public benefits, and require local police to notify federal authorities after arresting illegal immigrants. Currently, certain regulations, such as having state contractors participate in a federal program to verify their employees' legal status, are voluntary. These bills seek to make them mandatory and allow Florida to levy penalties for violations. Supporters of the bills say they address the concerns of Florida voters, two-thirds of whom said in a December Quinnipiac University poll that they favor stricter enforcement of immigration laws over integrating illegal immigrants into the United States. The bills' supporters say stopping illegal immigrants from moving to Florida will save money for legal residents and citizens, and make competition more fair for businesses. "The state needs to level the playing field for lawful businesses," said David Caulkett, vice president of Floridians for Immigration Reform. "The frustration is just built up."

But Floridians' positions on immigration are not clear-cut. Exit polls in the state's Jan. 29 presidential primary showed that nearly 60 percent of voters would allow illegal immigrants to stay as temporary workers or gain a path to citizenship. Critics of the immigration bills say they would force businesses to increase wages and to pay more for benefits, which would make it difficult for them to afford workers and would raise prices for consumers. "People need to think very carefully about what they want because of the economic consequences," said Sheila Hopkins, associate director for social concerns at the Florida Catholic Conference. "In Florida particularly, we are very vulnerable because of agriculture and tourism being our two biggest industries."

Florida's influx of immigration bills this year follows a national trend. Nationally, the number of immigration laws adopted by states last year nearly tripled since 2006, from 84 to 240, according to a 2007 report by the National Conference of State Legislatures. (2008 will also be a record year – FlA) Most aspects of immigration policy, such as border control, are handled by the federal government (which has been a disaster under the Bush Administration and a McCain Administration will be substantially worse – FlA). Immigration debates in legislatures across the country largely focus on identification issues, such as driver licenses, employment and public health and education benefits.

The most comprehensive bill under consideration in Florida this year was modeled after a package adopted in Oklahoma last year (11 states including Florida are following Oklahoma’s lead – See my FR “Straight Talk” profile page for more info – FlA). The bill, filed by Rep. Don Brown, R-DeFuniak Springs, targets businesses who hire illegal immigrants and requires law enforcement to determine the legal status of those arrested for drunken driving or boating. It would also force local law enforcement to share information with federal agencies about the legal status of immigrants. Opponents say the legislation could result in racial profiling and discourage immigrants from reporting crimes. Proponents say it would encourage deportation of illegal immigrants.

Brown said he decided to focus on immigration after receiving a "vehement response" to an e-mail cartoon he forwarded last year that said, "Don't forget to pay your taxes on April 15. 12 million illegal aliens are counting on you." (He later apologized to legislators for the e-mail). "It became more apparent to me that there was a more of a problem there than I had realized," said Brown, adding that he does not expect his bill to pass easily. "Florida's not Oklahoma," Brown said. "It's going to be up to every member of the legislature to act according to their conscience and their constituency." Except for a bill to prohibit the use of the term "illegal alien" in state documents, all of the immigration bills in the Florida Legislature this year have been filed by Republicans, who control both chambers of the Legislature and the governor's office.

But in this demographically diverse state, one Republican legislator's illegal immigration crackdown is another's political minefield. "For some people this is a real winner, but for a lot of Republicans in this state immigration is not a real winner," said Rep. Keith Fitzgerald, D-Sarasota. "I just don't know if this is an issue the speaker and some of his closest allies want to see debated on the floor of the House."

Posted for FlAttorney by TAB


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: aliens; florida; illegalimmigration; illegals; immigrantlist

1 posted on 02/25/2008 12:18:11 PM PST by flattorney
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To: flattorney

“”The agriculture and construction and hospitality industries in Florida would collapse without undocumented immigrants,” said Rep. David Rivera, a Miami Republican and close friend of Rubio. “The prospects for success for these types of proposals are dim.””

Collapse=might have to raise wage rates and hire Americans who might complain when the manager abuses them.


2 posted on 02/25/2008 12:21:01 PM PST by Shermy (Huckabee in the Cayman Islands while his wife was in a Las Vegas casino. $$ Laundromat??)
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To: flattorney

Here is the main issue. Elected officials are supposed to listen to the people, that is why they were elected. Unelected officials are put in place by those elected officials, they are supposed to listen to the people. I forgot one thing, that is not a reality in these times.


3 posted on 02/25/2008 12:23:34 PM PST by Bruinator (It's the Media.............Stupid)
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To: flattorney

Holding pitchfork, awaiting orders. Dang stupid rinos.


4 posted on 02/25/2008 12:26:30 PM PST by From One - Many (Trust the Old Media At Your Own Risk.)
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To: flattorney
I was watching Sean Hannity’s, The Price We Pay, last night on FOX. This s—t’s going to have to reach a breaking point—I think they are already there in California. It’s awful with the gang members and the collapse of hospital and other services. Something’s going to have to give sometime.

It's a shame because California is a beautiful place and I feel sorry for the conservatives and other decent people that live out there. I'm getting to where I don't think I want to even go there to visit. I never been, but I don't think I would want to go. I know eventually we are all going to be affected. We are already seeing a mini California situation here where I live in CO, but it's almost like CA is a lost cause at this point.

5 posted on 02/25/2008 12:30:00 PM PST by beaversmom
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To: JulieRNR21; kinganamort; katherineisgreat; floriduh voter; summer; Goldwater Girl; windchime; ...
Florida Freeper


6 posted on 02/25/2008 12:32:23 PM PST by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: Shermy

Bottom line.

Yes, we elect them BUT the lobbyists pay them to run. So if we stop electing THAT particular politico the lobbies just ‘hire’ another one to run. If we stop voting completely the lobbies will ‘hire’ people for that too.

We have lost control of out government (state and fed) and I see no way of getting that control back with out the ‘fourth box’.


7 posted on 02/25/2008 12:34:13 PM PST by Hazcat (We won an immigration BATTLE, the WAR is not over. Be ever vigilant.)
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To: flattorney

Immigrants are just as capable as “native” Americans of saying “This is my country and I want it protected.” Jeb is wrong. Stop all immigration now except for legitimate asylum.


8 posted on 02/25/2008 12:37:50 PM PST by Greg F (Do you want a guy named Hussein to fix your soul? Michelle Obama thinks you do.)
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To: Shermy
The agriculture and construction and hospitality industries in Florida would collapse without undocumented immigrants,” said Rep. David Rivera, a Miami Republican

A republican congressman explaining why it is acceptable to support breaking the immigration laws and why it is acceptable to break the federal minimum wage law.

After all - if his financial supporters and cronies have to pay the legal wage they won't have much left over to pay him for peddling his influence.

There is only one political party left in America -

The Crooked Politician Party

With republicans like this, who needs democrats?

.

9 posted on 02/25/2008 12:38:00 PM PST by Iron Munro (Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself.)
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To: flattorney

A word of warning to Florida’s ruling Republican elite.

In Virginia last November, the Republicans in the Senate were thrown into the minority because they were killing all the House bills to control illegal immigration.

The Virginia House of Delegates is still Republican because they were supporting legislation controlling illegal immigration.

Virginia Republicans who supported illegal immigration now have “former” in their titles.


10 posted on 02/25/2008 12:39:50 PM PST by oldbill
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To: All

Florida unfortunately is more liberal than the rest of the South.

Also, the Gov and GOP leadership is pro-illegal/anti-American...and infested w Hispano-Racism. There probably will not be a pro-American/anti-illegal piece of legislation unless there is a veto proof majority

As to Floridians supporting illegal alienism...not here in Orlando. We have a special election going on, and the one GOP candidate (Sean Campbell...I think that is his name) is camapigning on a pro-American/anti-illegal platform....in fact Campbell was seriously injured a few years ago in a traffic accident caused by a drunk illegal alien...lets see the Hispano-Racists and the Chamber of Communists whine about that...


11 posted on 02/25/2008 12:41:45 PM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (You know what they call a McCain supporter? A Liberal)
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To: flattorney

Kind of funny. We here in Florida hear of ICE raids in Arkansas and elsewhere where they raid a factory or meat packing plant.
Here in Florida ICE could raid whole cities like Indiantown, Belle Glades, LaBelle or South Bay and take away at least half the city and deport their illegal asses.
But here we have very rich families, politically active and large contributers to both parties.
Ones like the Fanjul family that own thousands of acres of sugar farms that get extremely high subsidies from the govt. and pollute the air, land and water.
See to harvest sugar you need to burn the mature field to rid the plant of very sharp grassy parts that cut one who harvest it.
But hey we’re talking about big contributions to politicians so they are protected and to hell with the affected populace and whatever ailments they may get.
Then there is the vacation industry of Orlando, Miami, etc, you don’t want to have to raise prices by paying real Americans now do ya?
Illegals here in Florida
At times you can’t see a half mile because the set fire to hundreds of acres at a time and let it burn off the unnecessary parts of sugar plants. That seeps in to the water supply.
But hey we’re talking big contributors.
Illegals in Florida are a protected class.


12 posted on 02/25/2008 12:43:31 PM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: Joe Brower

Thank you - TAB


13 posted on 02/25/2008 12:43:32 PM PST by flattorney (See my comprehensive FR Profile "Straight Talk" Page)
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To: Iron Munro
The agriculture and construction and hospitality industries in Florida would collapse without undocumented immigrants,” said Rep. David Rivera, a Miami Republican

Using these morons' logic, we should invite the Mafia in because they run these businesses pretty well, too. Heck, they even made Las Vegas the place it is today. So what if they were doing crimes - they made the tourist industry thrive.

Miami Beach's tourist business depends a lot on prostitution. Why don't we give the hookers amnesty.

14 posted on 02/25/2008 12:45:25 PM PST by oldbill
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To: flattorney
Illegals Costing US Taxpayers
More Than Iraq War
Feb. 4, 2008

1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year. http://tinyurl.com/zob77

2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens. http://www.cisorg/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens. http://www.cisorg/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html

5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare and Social Services by the American taxpayers. http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html

9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens. http://transcripts..cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two-and-a-half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html

11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border. Homeland Security Report. http://tinyurl.com/t9sht

12 The National Policy Institute, "estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period. http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf

13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin. http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm

14. "The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States". http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml

Total cost is a whooping... $338.3 BILLION A YEAR!!!

http://www.rense.com/general80/mroe.htm

This needs to be vetted - TAB

15 posted on 02/25/2008 12:51:22 PM PST by flattorney (See my comprehensive FR Profile "Straight Talk" Page)
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To: beaversmom
I'm getting to where I don't think I want to even go there to visit. I never been, but I don't think I would want to go.

Illegal immigration has almost zero effect on the quality of a visitor's vacation experience. It primarily affects the quality of life of lower-middle and middle class areas which haven't historically had to deal with such problems. Illegal gang activity isn't a problem in tourist destinations like Sausalito, Carmel, Malibu, Newport Beach, and La Jolla that it is in Stockton, Fresno, Bakersfield, Riverside, and Santa Ana. It's the long-time residents of blue-collar, formerly majority-white neighborhoods in cities like the latter who are really feeling the effects.

You can still have a better vacation in California than almost anywhere else in the county.

16 posted on 02/25/2008 12:55:39 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: Bruinator

Exactly. My sister lives in Ft. Myers. She’s tearing her hair out over the situation there.


17 posted on 02/25/2008 12:57:34 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: flattorney

It’s the same story in every state. They SAY they want tougher action, but they continue to vote for the idiots who want weaker action.


18 posted on 02/25/2008 12:59:18 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: flattorney

If politicians in Florida fail to pass serious immigration laws then I hope the whole state is totally overrun by hispanic gangs. I hope crime skyrockets and I hope concerned citizens begin defending themselves with serious firepower. I also hope the state legislature building gets covered in gang grafitti and that every member of the legisture is assaulted by a group of illegals.

This is the only thing that will get the attention of these moronic politicians.


19 posted on 02/25/2008 1:02:46 PM PST by navyguy (Some days you are the pigeon, some days you are the statue.)
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To: flattorney
"Politicians that use this as a wedge issue, it's a loser," former Gov. Jeb Bush said of immigration in an October interview with The Hoover Institution. "To totally disarm a group that is the only group that is growing in our country … we do it at our peril. It's wrong and it's stupid." (RINO, “Poppa Bush Cartel” Barf Alert – FlA)

Jeb is like all the other Globalists. He expects us to give up our country, our jobs, our language and our cultural heritage to any down trodden leper who has the courage to invade us. Surrender our country, but don't dare rock the boat for his Globalist business interests. Why doesn't he defend the USA and say that the invaders do it at their peril and then advocate unleashing the United States Military to aggressively defend our country. The answer is simple. Jeb has left the United States and joined the Global Nation.

20 posted on 02/25/2008 1:18:21 PM PST by ghostrider
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To: ghostrider
Jeb has left the United States and joined the Global Nation

most politicians left the Citizens long ago...the Citizens just were not witnessing what was about to happen...now the Citizens are witnessing what is happening. It is up to the Citizens....do the Citizens want their nation or not? If the Citizens do want their nation, then the Citizens will have to take it away from the old media, the muslims, the illegals, the legislatures, our congress, the presidential candidate, the sitting president.....and on and on and on...This land belongs to the Citizens but the aforementioned are working overtime to take our nation away...whether or the Citizens allow this to happen is up to the Citizens....but here stands one Citizen (pitchfork in hand) ready to take them on.....How about you, fellow Citizen?

21 posted on 02/25/2008 1:32:49 PM PST by From One - Many (Trust the Old Media At Your Own Risk.)
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To: ghostrider

Jeb’s wife is a Mexican.


22 posted on 02/25/2008 2:05:09 PM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (Change.....that's what we will have left in our pockets if a Democrat gets elected president!)
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To: flattorney
But in a state with the third-largest immigrant population in the country - an estimated 3.5 million - these bills already face resistance from business- and immigrant-advocacy groups.

Anyone who conflates "illegal alien" and "immigrant" cannot be trusted on this subject. You know they are a liar, before you read anything else they write.

23 posted on 02/25/2008 2:05:13 PM PST by 3niner (War is one game where the home team always loses.)
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To: 3niner

This state is already overrun with illegals from cuba, mexico, central and south America and some of the islands. Fidel’s nephews, the Diaz-Balart brothers, Ros-leighton and of course our senator mel martinez were solidly behind mcpain and his comprehensive illegal immigration package. We need to oust them and the log cabin governor and recycle the Supreme Court. Vote them all out.


24 posted on 02/25/2008 2:26:38 PM PST by yorkie01
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To: Joe Boucher

You are correct. And a lot of these people are Republicans.


25 posted on 02/25/2008 3:54:39 PM PST by Sunnyflorida (Drill in the Gulf of Mexico/Anwar & we can join OPEC!!! || Write in Thomas Sowell for President.)
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To: flattorney
Exit polls in the state's Jan. 29 presidential primary showed that nearly 60 percent of voters would allow illegal immigrants to stay as temporary workers or gain a path to citizenship.

My guess is that most of those polled were democrats. One should also know that the Ledger is a NYT newspaper.

26 posted on 02/25/2008 6:21:04 PM PST by Bushbacker1 (Kill 'em til their dead, then kill 'em again!)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation
Yes she is, but not one that we could identify with. I tried to talk with her once at a campaign stop. I was holding a Jeb sign. She looked at me as if I was a street urchin with the unmitigated gall to dare look at her. I suspect I was supposed to never make eye contact like the peons in an old Zorro movie. They are truly the Globalist enemy and they overrunning the country without firing a shot.
27 posted on 02/25/2008 7:14:41 PM PST by ghostrider
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To: From One - Many
...now the Citizens are witnessing what is happening. It is up to the Citizens....do the Citizens want their nation or not?

Yes most do, but they are asleep at the wheel and totally oblivious to the cloud of evil that has drifted over the world.

If the Citizens do want their nation, then the Citizens will have to take it away from the old media, the muslims, the illegals, the legislatures, our congress, the presidential candidate, the sitting president.....and on and on and on...

Obviously you are correct, but I fear it is a long shot - kind of like Robert E. Lee struggling to evade the Yankee swarms in the closing days of the Civil War.

This land belongs to the Citizens but the aforementioned are working overtime to take our nation away...whether or the Citizens allow this to happen is up to the Citizens....but here stands one Citizen (pitchfork in hand) ready to take them on.....How about you, fellow Citizen?

The figurative pitchfork is symbolic, but just about all that remains of a once proud people, who like the Cherokee Indians are being overwhelmed by a well organized foreign invasion.

28 posted on 02/25/2008 7:34:19 PM PST by ghostrider
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To: Bruinator
Here is the main issue. Elected officials are supposed to listen to the people, that is why they were elected. Unelected officials are put in place by those elected officials, they are supposed to listen to the people.

That is the essence of "representative government". If they don't, they have no basis to lay claim to it being one.

29 posted on 02/25/2008 7:40:28 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: oldbill

Miami Beach’s tourist business depends a lot on prostitution. Why don’t we give the hookers amnesty.

I’m sure we will once pimps form a high $ P.A.C. Or not since they enjoy the government service of enforcing a black market monopoly just like the Columbian and Mexican drug companies, a.k.a. cocaine/heroin cartels.


30 posted on 02/26/2008 4:27:48 AM PST by TheKidster (you can only trust government to grow, consolidate power and infringe upon your liberties.)
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To: ghostrider

We aren’t asleep, we’re working our asses off from Jan. through March to earn the money the government steals from us before we see a paycheck, then we’re spending the rest of the year trying to keep our kids from becoming promiscuously bisexual, PETA supporting, marxist, goverment dependants more concerned with the welfare of polar bears than thier class mates.

We have less than a year to purchase as many guns and ammo as possible before Obama outlaws private gun ownership. Get yours while the gettin is good because with the falling property tax revenues and the “huge” loss local governments will see because of amendment 1 passing the local fire cheif and cheif of police won’t be able to send responders when you’re house is burning or being invaded. They won’t be able to afford it because they are both breaking the bank by double dipping and collecting $5K a month in retirement benefits on top of a 6 figure salary and they have gotten used to a certain standard of living THEREFORE services must be cut unless taxes are raised, I mean more fees are assessed.


31 posted on 02/26/2008 4:49:30 AM PST by TheKidster (you can only trust government to grow, consolidate power and infringe upon your liberties.)
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To: ghostrider
Thank you for shooting holes in my argument and pitchfork. I would laugh but your argument wins...(frown) Thank you for the rebuttal, while I do hope and pray all is not lost.
32 posted on 02/26/2008 11:00:49 AM PST by From One - Many (Trust the Old Media At Your Own Risk.)
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To: Joe Brower; Matchett-PI; davidosborne; All
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/Romney_Might_Run_Again_in/2008/02/26/75643.html?s=al&promo_code=45F5-1

Romney MAY BE back in 2008 race.

33 posted on 02/26/2008 5:00:19 PM PST by floriduh voter (FL Gov. Crist "This is America. I can wear whatever I want. I believe in freedom." You go, girl.)
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