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Latino helps others build union power [Illegals entitled to Union/prevailing wages]
The Seattle Times ^ | 2/19/08 | Sanjay Bhatt

Posted on 02/19/2008 9:18:04 AM PST by XR7

Striding onto a Seattle-area work site with a white hard hat, Jimmy Matta converses in Spanish with Latino laborers who carry paintbrushes, power drills or spackling tools.

How much are you getting paid?

How many hours are you working?

Matta gives them his business card, promises his help and drives off to the next site.

A decade of organizing Latino construction workers is paying off for Matta, 32, who recently became the first Latino organizing director of the Pacific Northwest Regional Council of Carpenters.

Born in Idaho to illegal migrant farmworkers, Matta spent much of his early childhood in the Central Washington cities of Quincy, Wenatchee and Ephrata and began working summers in the fields at age 10.

He is now among the union's senior leadership, responsible for organizing efforts in Western Washington, which accounts for nearly half of the union's 23,500 members in five states.

His promotion "is a big step forward for the carpenters and for the Latino population," said Chris Elwell, executive secretary of the Seattle-King County Building and Construction Trades Council.

At the same time, Matta and the carpenters union have been criticized for aggressively recruiting and going to the defense of nonunion Latino workers, many of them undocumented.

Sunday in Everett, Matta distributed checks to Latino drywall tapers as part of a class-action lawsuit over wages and overtime he helped bring about against a large Snohomish County drywall contractor.

Critics also have complained that the carpenters union goes beyond recruiting Latino carpentry workers to also solicit Latinos working as drywall tapers, painters and others who typically would be organized by other trade unions.

The carpenters union says its only aim is to help those whose illegal status leaves them vulnerable to exploitation and also those whom other unions have neglected...

(Excerpt) Read more at seattletimes.nwsource.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aclu; aflcio; aliens; amnesty; borders; bushlegacy; carpenters; collective; culture; homeland; illegalaliens; illegals; immigation; immigrantlist; labor; language; latinos; mexico; rats; sellout; sisepuede; unions
In 1990, about one in 10 construction workers in the U.S. was Hispanic. By 2005, the rate was nearly one in four; and in 2006, it was two in three...Nationally, the carpenters union was one of the first to open up to the growing Latino work force, despite political fallout from traditional union members who opposed helping illegal immigrants.

"Si se puede!"
Why bother fighting this anymore?
The takeover is complete.

1 posted on 02/19/2008 9:18:23 AM PST by XR7
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To: XR7

Hey, if they can’t vote, at least their union dues will go to the dems........


2 posted on 02/19/2008 9:22:24 AM PST by umgud
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To: XR7

This really plays to the Democrats. They were conflicted between their illegal hispanic voters and their union members. But with 2/3 of the union members now Hispanic, no es problema, hombre.


3 posted on 02/19/2008 9:23:39 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: XR7

So much for cheap labor. Who would have guessed that illegals/poor mexicans would be seduced by democrats message of ‘social justice’ instead of capitialism?? Remember Bush sending Tony Snow on Rush’s show to claim these are future Republicans? Well maybe so with Senior mCCain, Visva McCain, of course we have to give up a few issues, like tax cuts, ...


4 posted on 02/19/2008 9:32:19 AM PST by sickoflibs (Are libs really as dumb as they act??(maybe they just assume we are that dumb))
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To: sickoflibs
Remember Bush sending Tony Snow on Rush’s show to claim these are future Republicans? Well maybe so with Senior mCCain, Visva McCain, of course we have to give up a few issues, like tax cuts, ...

You know, I'd bet that even when McAmnesty gets his program passed they will still vote Dem.

5 posted on 02/19/2008 9:39:40 AM PST by Hazcat (We won an immigration BATTLE, the WAR is not over. Be ever vigilant.)
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To: XR7

Somebody needs to explain to this union thug and those illegal workers that their only usefulness lies in the fact that they can be paid cheap wages with no benefits.

When they start demanding equal pay, there will be no reason for them to be hired. Their buddies at the Chamber of Commerce, the Wall Street Journal, the meat packing plants, the landscapers, and the construction businesses will tell them to get lost.

Once they get uppity, maybe even McCain will tell them to get lost. And Tony Snow won’t be lecturing us about whether we would rather pay $30,000 or $50,000 for that remodeling job. It will cost $60,000, with the differnce going to union dues which will NOT be spent on Republican candidates.

What ye sow, ye shall reap.


6 posted on 02/19/2008 9:56:12 AM PST by oldbill
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To: XR7

Arrest the Union leaders and seize their Union assets.


7 posted on 02/19/2008 10:05:53 AM PST by DGHoodini (Happy Leap Month!)
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To: oldbill
Somebody needs to explain to this union thug and those illegal workers that their only usefulness lies in the fact that they can be paid cheap wages with no benefits. When they start demanding equal pay, there will be no reason for them to be hired.

Sorry, but you are wrong.
Illegals ARE being hired - especially on the really big construction jobs that get municipal, state, and federal dollars/tax subsidies. In fact, the Latinos (illegal and legal) outnumber other ethnicities. And, they are getting union/prevailing wages.

8 posted on 02/19/2008 10:07:13 AM PST by XR7
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To: XR7
Re: Illegals entitled to Union/prevailing wages

Another reason... I hate unions!

9 posted on 02/19/2008 10:10:48 AM PST by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: XR7
Every day we see a new benefit or normalization of illegals. We rant and rave and talk about how wrong it is. I believe we cannot overturn everything that happens FOR them. We must fight for the big picture law: no benefits, no schools, no jobs, no sanctuary, and immediate hearings and removal.

We have no presidential candidate amongst the big three who will take care of this problem. So we'll have another 8 years of this probably doubling the number of illegals.

Some states are stepping up. That may be the way to go.

can anyone else shed some optimism on ths problem?

10 posted on 02/19/2008 10:11:12 AM PST by purpleraine
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To: XR7

Unions have been organizing (with varying degrees of success) illegal laborers in my neck of the woods for some time now. They had an active outreach to the illegal Portuguese and Irish back in the 1970s and 1980s, so this doesn’t come as a surprise.


11 posted on 02/19/2008 10:12:33 AM PST by Clemenza (Ronald Reagan was a "Free Traitor", Like Me ;-))
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To: XR7
Sorry, but you are wrong. Illegals ARE being hired - especially on the really big construction jobs that get municipal, state, and federal dollars/tax subsidies. In fact, the Latinos (illegal and legal) outnumber other ethnicities. And, they are getting union/prevailing wages.

While they may be incidents where illegals are being hired, you can not back up the claim that illegals are being hired universally with full pay and benefits.

And if they are "on the really big construction jobs that get municipal, state, and federal dollars/tax subsidies", they in violation of a lot of laws besides immigration that I doubt many firms would want to risk violating.

If you can prove this, send me the names of these companies and I will report them. I don't think you can or will.

12 posted on 02/19/2008 10:16:26 AM PST by oldbill
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To: XR7

Go ahead. . .get those illegals to join your union. No employer is going to risk employing illegals if they have to pay them the same as they pay American citizens.


13 posted on 02/19/2008 10:16:59 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Hazcat

Of course. Mark Levin put it exactly, given their education, dependence on government programs like food stamps, who will they follow? those who promise free college and health care and tax increases on rich, or capital gains tax cuts? McCain and Bush’s plan for capturing this group of voters is similar to original plan for Iraq’s occupation 2003 , if there is a plan , we cant see it


14 posted on 02/19/2008 10:36:17 AM PST by sickoflibs (Are libs really as dumb as they act??(maybe they just assume we are that dumb))
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To: sickoflibs

“So much for cheap labor.”

It’s a bluff. Sometimes these union apparatchiks make an attempt at seeming as if the illegals aren’t depressing wages. This is done to keep the rank and file confused.

The union ruling class makes more money by increasing membership, not raising memberships’ wages.


15 posted on 02/19/2008 10:56:13 AM PST by Shermy
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To: oldbill
When they start demanding equal pay, there will be no reason for them to be hired. Their buddies at the Chamber of Commerce, the Wall Street Journal, the meat packing plants, the landscapers, and the construction businesses will tell them to get lost.

DING DING DING DING DING! We have a winer!

If employers are forced to pay illegals the prevailing wage, then the incentive to hire illegals evaporates. Toss in stepped-up enforcement, and it's definitely not worth the hassle.

Love or hate unions in general, we should be cheering for this effort -- it would be a potent disincentive for businesses to hire illegals, whether that's what the union intended or not.

16 posted on 02/19/2008 10:58:21 AM PST by ReignOfError
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To: XR7

You are correct, the fight is over. All 3 candidates still left in this race are pro illegals.

We are going to get amnesty, open borders, rampant disease, socialism, and a declining USA culture.

Just a short time away now.


17 posted on 02/19/2008 11:05:12 AM PST by dforest
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To: sickoflibs
McCain and Bush’s plan for capturing this group of voters is similar to original plan for Iraq’s occupation 2003 , if there is a plan , we cant see it

There is no "plan" (I don't need no steenking plan).

Whomever comes up with these hair brain anti American, anti Constitutional ideas over at the RNC is just some wonk that 'thinks' the Rs will get some votes out of it.

They won't of course, but it sure as hell will destroy the country!

18 posted on 02/19/2008 11:15:05 AM PST by Hazcat (We won an immigration BATTLE, the WAR is not over. Be ever vigilant.)
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To: XR7

I only know of what I have been told. I work with a lot of construction workers here in Los Angeles and almost all are Hispanic. In Los Angeles you are required to pass a Contractors State test before becoming a contractor. It is not an easy test unless you have a photographic memory. Even if you understand what you are reading on plans it is often a debate as to the meaning of a note. With earthquake, wind, soil conditions and environmental concerns, building conditions are getting harder to discern.

The people I work with tell me that in Los Angeles you have to belong to the Union. You no longer need to be a licensed contractor, as an alternative you can also now show you are in the union. This is in Los Angeles’s mind acceptable. Never mind the fact that they don’t check for legal citizenship or if you speak English or you have an education above 3rd grade.

Add to this that very few projects have Union members. No one can afford Union wages. The people that insist on Union workers are the government. Our Schools, our highways, Libraries, everything government related is Union and they don’t check for legal status. This is the reason that our military bases have been hiring illegal aliens to do their work. It can be argued that by hiring Union Members you are hiring the worst of the worst.

I heard some union boss boast that it is not his responsibility to check the legal status of workers. Hey, but let them build a roof over your child’s school.


19 posted on 02/19/2008 11:21:23 AM PST by Haddit (A Hunter Conservative)
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To: DGHoodini
Arrest the Union leaders and seize their Union assets.

Hear hear!

20 posted on 02/19/2008 11:25:29 AM PST by Digital Sniper (Hello, "Undocumented Immigrant." I'm an "Undocumented Border Patrol Agent.")
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To: sickoflibs

Of course. Mark Levin put it exactly, given their education, dependence on government programs like food stamps, who will they follow? those who promise free college and health care and tax increases on rich, or capital gains tax cuts? McCain and Bush’s plan for capturing this group of voters is similar to original plan for Iraq’s occupation 2003 , if there is a plan , we cant see it

______________________________________________________________________________________

Didn’t you get that memo? Our betters at the country club have decided that with their presumed family values, even if the 1st generation goes democrat, their children or maybe their grandchildren will grow up to be fine, outstanding republican voters.


21 posted on 02/19/2008 11:35:27 AM PST by sinanju
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To: Shermy; sinanju; Hazcat; XR7
The employers naturally want cheap labor. The unions want dues and political power. The unions can only get this by lawsuits and democratic voters by excluding available non-unionized labor (that they cant control) who ends up voting democrat for benefits they cant work for. The illegals themselves will in a short time vote democrat(through children raised on government handouts). Public schools teach them to DEMAND what is theirs. Big businesses and lobbies protect themselves from the higher taxes through lobbying and campaign contributions. Joe six pack’s mother, wife, girlfriend, single mother votes for ever higher taxes to expand the schools their fatherless children are crowded out by future Marxist revolutionaries that came across the border.

Wakeup Bush, McCain, Kemp : you don't create conservatives by government handouts, even if it’s moving them to middle class. You create a religious belief and loyalty to government, which is seen as Mommy.

22 posted on 02/19/2008 12:19:11 PM PST by sickoflibs (Are libs really as dumb as they act??(maybe they just assume we are that dumb))
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To: MEGoody; oldbill; All
Go ahead. . .get those illegals to join your union. No employer is going to risk employing illegals if they have to pay them the same as they pay American citizens.

They don't risk it. They are only required by law to ask a potential hire to provide "proof" of being "legal." Any illegal can pick up a phoney SS card, drivers license, even a birth certificate - so well duplicated as to fool law enforcement - for about $400. That's all an employer needs to see. They don't run checks to verify, and they never check citizenship status - and the law does not require that they do. Even police officers are forbidden in most jurisdictions from doing so during stops for traffic violations (Recall the recent stir when an Arizona sheriff proposed doing that?). So, how many well-paid illegal alien construction workers are out there? Who knows? The unions don't care and they are signing 'em up!

23 posted on 02/19/2008 2:03:12 PM PST by XR7
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To: Haddit
The people that insist on Union workers are the government. Our Schools, our highways, Libraries, everything government related is Union and they don’t check for legal status. This is the reason that our military bases have been hiring illegal aliens to do their work.

The big, expensive construction jobs.
You said it.
And, you're right.

24 posted on 02/19/2008 2:06:58 PM PST by XR7
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To: XR7

PING


25 posted on 02/19/2008 10:01:33 PM PST by AnimalLover ( ((Are there special rules and regulations for the big guys?)))
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To: ReignOfError

it’s not JUST the prevailing wage but also the fact that being in a union makes you harder to fire or cast aside if you get hurt.

The whole reason you hire an illegal is that they toss these guys aside if they get hurt because they know La Migra is one step away if need be. They also are a more compliant workforce (wish they were so docile away from their jobs sites) than any American force would be and again, a union changes that.

I share your sentiments here, although I’d still rather try the Thompson plan of attrition.


26 posted on 02/19/2008 11:45:45 PM PST by Skywalk (Transdimensional Jihad!)
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To: XR7

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27 posted on 11/16/2008 8:56:12 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: XR7

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