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Lasers Conserve Pictish Treasures
BBC ^ | 2-14-2008

Posted on 02/14/2008 2:40:39 PM PST by blam

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1 posted on 02/14/2008 2:40:40 PM PST by blam
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To: SunkenCiv
GGG Ping.

DNA Test Can Detect Picts' Descendants

By Auslan Cramb, Scottish Correspondent

(Filed: 14/08/2006)

A geneticist has created a DNA test for "Scottishness" that will tell people whether they are direct descendants of the Picts.

The test, expected to cost about £130, checks a sample of saliva against 27 genetic markers linked to some of the earliest inhabitants of Scotland.

Dr Jim Wilson, of the public health sciences department at Edinburgh University, said: "We started this work a few years ago, looking at the Norse component, and we proved that a large proportion of people on Orkney are descended from Vikings.

"Now the markers have moved on massively and we have discovered that we can trace back the component of the indigenous Picts by looking at the unique grouping of their Y-chromosome. We believe that this would have been found only in Scotland."

Scientists were able to isolate the unique Pictish DNA strands from 1,000-year-old bone fragments found in ancient burial grounds

2 posted on 02/14/2008 2:43:02 PM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: blam

If it is both in Pictish and Latin, then they should be able to translate the Pictish and find out something about the language.

I thought they knew absolutely nothing about Pictish??

Anyway, thanks for posting!


3 posted on 02/14/2008 2:48:42 PM PST by squarebarb
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And so now Blam you can test to see if you are also Pictish and cover yourself with woad.

Oh woad is me!


4 posted on 02/14/2008 2:49:51 PM PST by squarebarb
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Picts had matrilinear royal descent through mtDNA

"...As these folk were part of the ancient Briton's R1b, being themselves an early Celtic people [Proto-Celt] I have them as being R1b.

Given that this includes most of Britain then any one with a British grandmother is of the 'Ancient Briton' line. Pict was the name the Roman's gave them to mean 'Painted' hence the 'blue faces' in 'Brave Heart' the movie. The later 'Celt's' who were from continental Europe had the same origins as the natives of Briton, and so their R1b DNA just blended in. This has been confirmed by testing. What is of great surprise is that according to the BBC study for the Viking's, we just didn't know how Celtic the British were.

Approx. 70% Celtic [ancient Briton] in the Y-line and 95% in the mt-line. Southern English are as Celtic as the Highlands of Scotland and the Irish and Welsh are the same.

5 posted on 02/14/2008 2:49:53 PM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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I’ve traced my ancestors back to the picts. Ancestry.com has alot of info and the DNA tests are unbelievable.


6 posted on 02/14/2008 3:00:03 PM PST by Southerngl
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I just look for who I know that likes to be naked and painted blue! If I find such a person, there is a high probability he/she is of Pictish descent.


7 posted on 02/14/2008 3:00:13 PM PST by Reily
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To: blam

I’ve done this and I am.


8 posted on 02/14/2008 3:00:24 PM PST by Southerngl
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To: Southerngl

Are Picts and Nits related?


9 posted on 02/14/2008 3:14:09 PM PST by Rudder
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To: Southerngl
"I’ve done this and I am."

Really? What are your yDNA & mtDNA haplotypes?

10 posted on 02/14/2008 3:17:56 PM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: Rudder
"Are Picts and Nits related?"

Nah. You're just nit-Picting now.

11 posted on 02/14/2008 3:19:30 PM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: blam

Have they found the remains of Bran Mak Morn, as of yet.


12 posted on 02/14/2008 3:51:11 PM PST by David Isaac
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To: blam; Old Sarge

Thanks for the great post Blam!
Always enjoy reading your stuff!
Hey Sarge!
PING!


13 posted on 02/14/2008 3:52:39 PM PST by MS.BEHAVIN (Women who behave rarely make history)
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To: blam

I don’t have a yDNA test as I am an only child and don’t have a DNA sample from my father. So only mtDNA. I intend to see if my cousin will test on my father’s side and see if I can get better luck with that.


14 posted on 02/14/2008 4:05:13 PM PST by Southerngl
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I actually plan to visit St Vigeans as it is where my paternal great - grandmother was from and had planned on checking out the musuem. Too bad it is closed until 2009!


15 posted on 02/14/2008 4:12:22 PM PST by Sparky1776
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To: blam

Of great interest to me. Thanks.


16 posted on 02/14/2008 4:52:28 PM PST by Dysart
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To: Southerngl
"I don’t have a yDNA test as I am an only child and don’t have a DNA sample from my father. So only mtDNA. I intend to see if my cousin will test on my father’s side and see if I can get better luck with that."

You have the same yDNA as your father...it's just that you (female) can't pass it on.

17 posted on 02/14/2008 6:15:14 PM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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"I actually plan to visit St Vigeans as it is where my paternal great - grandmother was from and had planned on checking out the musuem. Too bad it is closed until 2009!"

"St Vigeans is a small village and parish in Angus, Scotland."

My dad had a brother named Angus. His mother, Mrs Smith's (my grandmother) DNA indicates she's from an ancient cluster in Scotland that is the same in Finland. These two clusters were once together before there was a North Sea. It is U5a1a the same as 9,000 year old Cheddar Man.

Cheddar Man

"LONDON (Reuter) British scientists Saturday celebrated their feat of tracing a living descendant of a 9,000-year-old skeleton and establishing the world's oldest known family tree. "

18 posted on 02/14/2008 6:26:06 PM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: squarebarb
If it is both in Pictish and Latin, then they should be able to translate the Pictish and find out something about the language.

So far all they can translate are words in pict-latin...

19 posted on 02/14/2008 6:29:51 PM PST by null and void (President Hillary!™ Clinton? Time to invest in body bags. Again...)
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To: blam

As a female, I only qualified for the mitochondrial DNA test. They said for the paternal lineage, they would have to have a male relative of a direct line (brother, father or male cousin of same grandparents). I am not a DNA expert, by any stretch. I am only going on what they told me. If they are incorrect, I would love to know so I can get the other tests done!

Here is the link, maybe if you know alot about DNA, you could help me. I am not being sarcastic, I am being serious. I am so fascinated by this!

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WHY GENDER MATTERS
The type of DNA test you can take depends on your gender. The Paternal Lineage test analyzes DNA found on Y-chromosome which is present only for males.

The Maternal Lineage test analyzes DNA found in mitochondria, which is present in both females and males.

CHOOSING Y-33 vs Y-46
The Paternal Lineage Y-chromosome 33 test is recommended because it provides the minimum number of markers needed to obtain a meaningful match between participants.

You may choose the Y-chromosome 46 test if you want to further narrow the span of generations for finding a common ancestor with another participant’s Y-46 test.

MATERNAL LINEAGE
Matching your maternal lineage results can help you find participants who share your ancient ancestry. Maternal test can determine whether participants are NOT related by having one or more result mismatches.

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20 posted on 02/14/2008 6:30:33 PM PST by Southerngl
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