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Posted on 02/12/2008 5:37:53 PM PST by gobucks
If Roger Clemens is lying — which I tend to believe he is — then his major crime is being unable to imagine a life worth living without constant, pervasive fan adulation.
Seriously, if the guy isn't telling the truth, all he's really fighting for is the right to show up in any restaurant in America and get a table without waiting, a round of drinks on the house and some groupie telling him he's the greatest.
He's a crackhead, a celebrity addicted to human lips resting on the crack of his/her rear end.
And, as we know, crackheads do dumb stuff, like spend a week in the nation's capital whining and dining lying politicians, begging them to believe that the game's greatest pitcher took B-12 shots in the butt, not steroids.
No one, and I mean no one, lies more frequently and boldly than a crackhead in search of his next hit/kiss of the rear.
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For now I am giving Roger the benefit of the doubt.
Clemons is as guilty as hell.
In my view, his ballsy defense is just more of Clemens' rabid competitiveness on parade. Give in? Fess up? Screw that. He'll fight til the very end. He's a maniacal competitor. That's why he does it.
I'm not apologizing for him. I think he's a jock a-hole, but I don't think he does it for fan adulation. I think he probably has little regard for fans.
It was just about 21 years ago when Roger Clemens made it clear just what sort of person that he really is. At least that was so to me at the time.
He held out on Spring Training for more dough despite the fact that he was obliged by contract to appear and play.
The man is no good, and as time has gone on, he has made that more and more evident.
Let him go on and perjure himself before Congress. Those cretins in DC will do nothing to him because he is as one of their own.
Mark my words, Clemens will be deemed a liar, and proved a substance user, and still he will walk.
That is just how things work these days.
Shocking /s
Of course that will not be in the American League or the American League but rather the Federal League.
The Federal Prison League.
Early Career
Late Career
Yeah, that ain’t just the normal aging process there is it?
Not by a long shot.
And his wife that is also on HGH.
Looks like he morphed into the Hulk...
“Clemons is as guilty as hell.”
Guilty of what??? Human growth hormone is not against the law. Used every day for medical purposes. Pot is against the law, even if proved it helps glaucoma.
Clemons is guilty, perhaps, of lying to Congress. If I recall we had a President that did the same thing, and he gopt away with it.
.....Bob
That will finish him if a charge sticks.
I know, I know. LoL.
At the time for me personally though, incredibly, it made a difference.
I was getting divorced, and I was not OK with that. My kids were very young, and Boston Red Sox fans are ...Well what they are.
I no longer consider myself to be a Red Sox fan, but back in those days, Clemens was just....well...perhaps a catalyst for my current opinion of that particular sports enterprise.
I would not give a nickel to go to a Red Sox game now, and that has been so for just about 20 years now. And I have been to many many games at Fenway Park.
Please pardon syntax and structure. This is a sports comment here.
He’s guilty of using perfromance enhancing drugs/substances. It has nothing to do with legality.
Either HGH or BLT (Bacon-Lettuce-Tomato), QPC(Quarter-pounder-Cheese, WWC(Whopper-with-Cheese),etc.
HGH is not allowed in MLB you maroon. Whether legal or not, MLB does not allow its use.
And silicone.
HGH and Steroids were allowed in MLB until a couple of years ago. You have to separate the Federal legal aspect from the MLB legal aspect.
So a professional athlete did steroids? Nobody here cares. The government doesn’t care about that either. Nobody is being charged with a crime for using steroids.
This is a Congressional PR stunt for Waxman. The excuse is...altogether now...IT’S FOR THE CHILRUNS.
“Game of Shadows” is gossipy? Whitlock misses big on this one.
Bonds and Clemens both did it for greatness in the game and to suggest otherwise is unintelligent. Whitlock misses a big point. Clemens has responded like an INNOCENT person should respond. He’s aggressively challenging the allegations. Bonds has never challenged what has been alleged against him this way. It is a big difference, in my opinion.
He could be telling the truth, but for McNamee to lie AND have allegedly faked blood on gauze BUT to have told the truth about Pettite seems at very least odd.
And, of course, there’s no way Stallone used steroids and/or HGH...
“Guilty of what??? Human Growth Hormone is not against the law.”
And yet another clueless falsehood perpetuated by enablers. It is against the law to possess HGH without a legitimate prescription and the range of maladies warranting HGH is very limited. For an athlete like Rogers Clemens to have and use this stuff is indeed against the law, and you don’t know what you are talking about. And quit defending these cheaters.
“HGH and Steroids were allowed in MLB until a couple years ago.”
And you don’t know what you are talking about either. The possession and use of HGH and steroids has been against the law for decades, and by this, was/is a violation of the Uniform Player Contract that every player signs. A player is prohibited from using illegal drugs, it’s in the UPC and it’s in the Collectively bargained Basic Agreement between the Players and the Clubs. Baseball specifically banned steroids and HGH as part of a new testing plan in recent years, but possessing and using illegal drugs was always banned. And the players knew it, all along, and guys like Clemens knew they were violating those terms and those laws.
Roger is the school-yard bully, nothing more or less.
Fair enough. But apparently when the Yankees thought about enforcing the terms of the UPC against Giambi, their attorneys told them to not even waste their money. Why do you suppose that is?
I went to Fenway Park once...it was a weekend series in 98. Saw the Sox host my Yankees on Sat and Sun. Had a fabulous time. Great time drinking in the local bars, talking baseball with the locals. Maybe the best baseball experience I ever had. I don't think I've been to a game since. Hard to believe it's been 10 years, but hey, you grow up, and see the players for what they are, and it loses its appeal.
I’ve hated Clemens ever since game 6 of the 1986 World Series. He begged his way off the mound by claiming he had a blister — but the truth is that he was a coward and couldn’t take the pressure, and wanted someone else to carry the team to the end so that HE couldn’t be blamed if the Mets came back.
Since then, when he got on the juice, instead of cowardice he started exhibiting crazy steroid freakouts in big games — getting kicked out against the A’s, throwing the bat against the Mets, and even this yea with the Yankees — oh, that sore hamstring kept him out of the playoffs against the Indians.
It’s all a pattern with Clemens. And it’s got steroids written all over it.
Use of HGH without a prescription is illegal. There are very few valid reasons for an adult to have a script for HGH. It is not the fountain of youth as described by the MSM or dumb jocks - otherwise you or your close friends would likely be using it and it would be as common as Starbucks.
the punishment would violate a separate agreement from the drug law and would lead to a strike or problems within major league baseball. a few mill is not worth a few bill.
That’s pretty wild, the difference.
I wonder how many hat sizes the guy went through?
Whether or not Clemens is lying may or may not be earthshaking in light of the probability that most of the overpaid drunks conducting the congressional hearings would not pass a drug test.
What locks MY jaws is having to watch these old athletes trying to stretch their careers, too vain or too stupid to quit while they’re still passable performers. One of the earliest ones for me was fabulous John Unitas. If he’d hung up his spikes when he was still pretty good he could have spent retirement in an undiminished glow; but he played too long until at the end of his career he was no longer really cutting the mustard. Then there is Clemens, and a lot more like him...possibly needing to use “boosters” in order to continue at a high level.
The latest example took place Saturday nite at Daytona at the Budweiser Shootout. Awesome Bill (Elliott) from Dawsonville plowed down along the upper wall and wedged his car there so that wreckers had to pull it loose, while preventing it from rolling down the steep banking which was there at that point in the track. I thought to myself, “For God’s sake, Bill, get a clue! You’re over the hill. Quit before you dodder around and hurt yourself or someone else! Of course, that’s just my humble opinion.
this guy hits the nail on the head every single time...
An innocent man goes out the next day and sues for libel. Clemens didn’t do that.
Clemens is a cheater.
I feel sorry for the family of Roger Maris, and Hank Aaron, and his family.
These idiots cheated and broke records that were done through sheer skill and stamina.
See, that’s why we have rules. Greatness in art and in sport are defined by the voluntary limitations we place on ourselves, and the amazing things we end up doing despite those limitations.
You can’t airbrush a Degas, and you can’t use a bat in a boxing ring, because the point is not to win, but to prevail - despite our circumstances.
They should just go away. No hall of fame, and no records, and no baseball card signings. Just a guy who hacked the system a little, and pitchers that never came up through the system, and hitters that never got a call - all because the players and the FRICKIN’ UNION decided to look the other way and defecate on the game.
The Patriots may just get their day of glory too - perhaps in a court room, but also from the league. I think we saw what kind of genius was at work at the Super Bowl recently.
Sure, when it's legitimately prescribed by an MD for a medical condition, which is not the case with Clemens. HGH is listed in the DEA as a controlled substance, and is scheduled, I believe, as a "III", (addictive and dangerous). Stop the cheaters and expunge their bogus records.
The country is going down the tube and people are getting their panties in a wad over happenings in baseball.It’s the “Bread and Circuses” Roman thing all over again.
I am no Clemens fan, but it is hard for me to believe anything produced by George Mitchell.
“The country is going down the tube and people are getting their panties in a wad over happenings in baseball.It’s the “Bread and Circuses” Roman thing all over again.”
It’s easier to play the fiddle than to put out the fires.
If you look deeper, you’ll find that Giambi’s agent had the word ‘steroids’ taken out of his Uniform Player Contract when it was originally signed, and the Yankees were just fine with that, because they knew the score. So the whole story about them possibly voiding that contract was a sham, the Yankees were in on it. And that’s one of the biggest problems with this whole mess, the teams, the players, and the Commissioner’s Office have all known this was going on for years, and they let it happen knowingly. So everyone is dirty, which makes it hard for anyone to point any fingers.
You must be a Blosox fan...
McNamee (sp?) is a low life weasel! What kind of a trainer would keep a used syringe from 2001 that he claims he used on Clemens? Sell it as baseball memorabilia? Or perhaps a tool for potential blackmail? If the weasel is telling the truth then I have to believe it was for potential blackmail.....
“The country is going down the tube”
Unreal isn’t it.
That is one of my first worries, if Clemens took steroids.
Nothing better than seeing a Yankee go down in disgrace. The only thing that would make me happier is to see the whole damn team move to Las Vegas.
I really hate seeing this. Roger Clemens has always been my hero and now he is just another liar. Sad to see this. To make matters worse, this McNamee guy is a little nerd that sold out his friend and client. This was not something that had to be drug out before congress, this issue has been an ongoing problem and baseball is handling it now. At least Knoblock and Pettit have the character to tell the truth under oath and face the consequences. At the end of the day they can face their kids and fans and know that they were real men and not afraid of the truth. Clemens has about as much character as Bill Clinton. I am just blown away about this.
I agree. There is too much corroborating testimony to McNamee for him to be lying. Plus, Clemens had already weired me out by his determination to play way past his prime. Juice would help with that. And saying his wife took juice but he only took b-12. Puleeze.
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