Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Clemens fighting to save ...
Fox Sports ^ | Feb 2, 08 | Jason Whitlock

Posted on 02/12/2008 5:37:53 PM PST by gobucks

If Roger Clemens is lying — which I tend to believe he is — then his major crime is being unable to imagine a life worth living without constant, pervasive fan adulation.

Seriously, if the guy isn't telling the truth, all he's really fighting for is the right to show up in any restaurant in America and get a table without waiting, a round of drinks on the house and some groupie telling him he's the greatest.

He's a crackhead, a celebrity addicted to human lips resting on the crack of his/her rear end.

And, as we know, crackheads do dumb stuff, like spend a week in the nation's capital whining and dining lying politicians, begging them to believe that the game's greatest pitcher took B-12 shots in the butt, not steroids.

No one, and I mean no one, lies more frequently and boldly than a crackhead in search of his next hit/kiss of the rear.

(Excerpt) Read more at msn.foxsports.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: clemens; steroids
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-60 next last
He mentions many famous liars, even O.J., in this ariticle. Sadly, he omits one 'unusually good liar'; and this article fits him to a T.
1 posted on 02/12/2008 5:38:00 PM PST by gobucks
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: gobucks

For now I am giving Roger the benefit of the doubt.


2 posted on 02/12/2008 5:40:35 PM PST by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: gobucks

Clemons is as guilty as hell.


3 posted on 02/12/2008 5:41:44 PM PST by DogandPonyShow (America, the Light of the World.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: gobucks
I've been saying for years that Clemens was juiced. But this author misses the boat on why, I think. Clemens doesn't give a rat's ass about adulation. He cares about winning, being the best, and making boatloads of money, and he plays a sport where probably close to half the players if not more are juicing, popping pills, or otherwise cheating to get where they are and stay there.

In my view, his ballsy defense is just more of Clemens' rabid competitiveness on parade. Give in? Fess up? Screw that. He'll fight til the very end. He's a maniacal competitor. That's why he does it.

I'm not apologizing for him. I think he's a jock a-hole, but I don't think he does it for fan adulation. I think he probably has little regard for fans.

4 posted on 02/12/2008 5:47:05 PM PST by Huck (Buzzards gotta eat, same as worms.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: gobucks

It was just about 21 years ago when Roger Clemens made it clear just what sort of person that he really is. At least that was so to me at the time.

He held out on Spring Training for more dough despite the fact that he was obliged by contract to appear and play.

The man is no good, and as time has gone on, he has made that more and more evident.

Let him go on and perjure himself before Congress. Those cretins in DC will do nothing to him because he is as one of their own.

Mark my words, Clemens will be deemed a liar, and proved a substance user, and still he will walk.

That is just how things work these days.


5 posted on 02/12/2008 5:48:17 PM PST by Radix (I do not want to press one for English.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Radix
He held out on Spring Training for more dough despite the fact that he was obliged by contract to appear and play.

Shocking /s

6 posted on 02/12/2008 5:52:22 PM PST by Huck (Buzzards gotta eat, same as worms.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Always Right
In the 2009 Season Clemens will win 26 Games, Strike Out 325 and Hit .396.

Of course that will not be in the American League or the American League but rather the Federal League.

The Federal Prison League.

7 posted on 02/12/2008 5:54:06 PM PST by trumandogz ("He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and it worries me." Sen Cochran on McCain)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: gobucks
All you need to see is an early photo with a later one to show how his head and jaw have grown. This is a definite sign of HGH.

Early Career

Late Career


8 posted on 02/12/2008 5:54:34 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Anti-Bubba182

Yeah, that ain’t just the normal aging process there is it?

Not by a long shot.


9 posted on 02/12/2008 5:55:46 PM PST by DogandPonyShow (America, the Light of the World.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Anti-Bubba182

And his wife that is also on HGH.

10 posted on 02/12/2008 5:58:24 PM PST by trumandogz ("He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and it worries me." Sen Cochran on McCain)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Anti-Bubba182

Looks like he morphed into the Hulk...


11 posted on 02/12/2008 5:58:59 PM PST by Xenophon450 (I guess I'll never know, some things under the sun can never be understood...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: DogandPonyShow

“Clemons is as guilty as hell.”

Guilty of what??? Human growth hormone is not against the law. Used every day for medical purposes. Pot is against the law, even if proved it helps glaucoma.

Clemons is guilty, perhaps, of lying to Congress. If I recall we had a President that did the same thing, and he gopt away with it.

.....Bob


12 posted on 02/12/2008 5:59:51 PM PST by Lokibob (Some people are like slinkys. Useless, but if you throw them down the stairs, you smile.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Lokibob
"Clemons is guilty, perhaps, of lying to Congress."

That will finish him if a charge sticks.

13 posted on 02/12/2008 6:03:14 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Huck
"Shocking /s"

I know, I know. LoL.

At the time for me personally though, incredibly, it made a difference.

I was getting divorced, and I was not OK with that. My kids were very young, and Boston Red Sox fans are ...Well what they are.

I no longer consider myself to be a Red Sox fan, but back in those days, Clemens was just....well...perhaps a catalyst for my current opinion of that particular sports enterprise.

I would not give a nickel to go to a Red Sox game now, and that has been so for just about 20 years now. And I have been to many many games at Fenway Park.

Please pardon syntax and structure. This is a sports comment here.

14 posted on 02/12/2008 6:03:26 PM PST by Radix (I do not want to press one for English.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Lokibob

He’s guilty of using perfromance enhancing drugs/substances. It has nothing to do with legality.


15 posted on 02/12/2008 6:06:07 PM PST by DogandPonyShow (America, the Light of the World.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Anti-Bubba182

Either HGH or BLT (Bacon-Lettuce-Tomato), QPC(Quarter-pounder-Cheese, WWC(Whopper-with-Cheese),etc.


16 posted on 02/12/2008 6:08:59 PM PST by 3Lean
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Anti-Bubba182
This happens all the time. Hell, it even happened to Rambo. lol
17 posted on 02/12/2008 6:11:39 PM PST by BGHater ($2300 is the limit of your Free Speech.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Lokibob

HGH is not allowed in MLB you maroon. Whether legal or not, MLB does not allow its use.


18 posted on 02/12/2008 6:15:24 PM PST by Bruinator ("It's the Media Stupid.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: trumandogz

And silicone.


19 posted on 02/12/2008 6:20:25 PM PST by SeaHawkFan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: Bruinator

HGH and Steroids were allowed in MLB until a couple of years ago. You have to separate the Federal legal aspect from the MLB legal aspect.


20 posted on 02/12/2008 6:21:33 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: gobucks

So a professional athlete did steroids? Nobody here cares. The government doesn’t care about that either. Nobody is being charged with a crime for using steroids.

This is a Congressional PR stunt for Waxman. The excuse is...altogether now...IT’S FOR THE CHILRUNS.


21 posted on 02/12/2008 6:24:05 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Always Right

“Game of Shadows” is gossipy? Whitlock misses big on this one.

Bonds and Clemens both did it for greatness in the game and to suggest otherwise is unintelligent. Whitlock misses a big point. Clemens has responded like an INNOCENT person should respond. He’s aggressively challenging the allegations. Bonds has never challenged what has been alleged against him this way. It is a big difference, in my opinion.


22 posted on 02/12/2008 6:30:55 PM PST by zebrahead
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: BGHater
I know.

Stallone Charged with Importing Steroids Down Under

23 posted on 02/12/2008 6:34:02 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: Always Right

He could be telling the truth, but for McNamee to lie AND have allegedly faked blood on gauze BUT to have told the truth about Pettite seems at very least odd.


24 posted on 02/12/2008 6:37:05 PM PST by SlapHappyPappy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: BGHater

And, of course, there’s no way Stallone used steroids and/or HGH...


25 posted on 02/12/2008 6:40:00 PM PST by SlapHappyPappy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: Lokibob

“Guilty of what??? Human Growth Hormone is not against the law.”

And yet another clueless falsehood perpetuated by enablers. It is against the law to possess HGH without a legitimate prescription and the range of maladies warranting HGH is very limited. For an athlete like Rogers Clemens to have and use this stuff is indeed against the law, and you don’t know what you are talking about. And quit defending these cheaters.


26 posted on 02/12/2008 6:43:18 PM PST by raptor29
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Eric Blair 2084

“HGH and Steroids were allowed in MLB until a couple years ago.”

And you don’t know what you are talking about either. The possession and use of HGH and steroids has been against the law for decades, and by this, was/is a violation of the Uniform Player Contract that every player signs. A player is prohibited from using illegal drugs, it’s in the UPC and it’s in the Collectively bargained Basic Agreement between the Players and the Clubs. Baseball specifically banned steroids and HGH as part of a new testing plan in recent years, but possessing and using illegal drugs was always banned. And the players knew it, all along, and guys like Clemens knew they were violating those terms and those laws.


27 posted on 02/12/2008 6:48:11 PM PST by raptor29
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: Huck

Roger is the school-yard bully, nothing more or less.


28 posted on 02/12/2008 6:50:20 PM PST by Oystir
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: raptor29

Fair enough. But apparently when the Yankees thought about enforcing the terms of the UPC against Giambi, their attorneys told them to not even waste their money. Why do you suppose that is?


29 posted on 02/12/2008 6:53:57 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: Radix
No problem. I actually think the contract holdout is another example of Clemens' all or nothing competitiveness. His thinking, I believe, is to play tough and hard and the hell with anyone who doesn't like it. That's why teammates say they hate him as an opponent but love him as a teammate. I'd love him as a teammate too. He goes all out to win all the time.

I went to Fenway Park once...it was a weekend series in 98. Saw the Sox host my Yankees on Sat and Sun. Had a fabulous time. Great time drinking in the local bars, talking baseball with the locals. Maybe the best baseball experience I ever had. I don't think I've been to a game since. Hard to believe it's been 10 years, but hey, you grow up, and see the players for what they are, and it loses its appeal.

30 posted on 02/12/2008 6:56:47 PM PST by Huck (Buzzards gotta eat, same as worms.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: gobucks

I’ve hated Clemens ever since game 6 of the 1986 World Series. He begged his way off the mound by claiming he had a blister — but the truth is that he was a coward and couldn’t take the pressure, and wanted someone else to carry the team to the end so that HE couldn’t be blamed if the Mets came back.

Since then, when he got on the juice, instead of cowardice he started exhibiting crazy steroid freakouts in big games — getting kicked out against the A’s, throwing the bat against the Mets, and even this yea with the Yankees — oh, that sore hamstring kept him out of the playoffs against the Indians.

It’s all a pattern with Clemens. And it’s got steroids written all over it.


31 posted on 02/12/2008 6:57:42 PM PST by WL-law
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Bruinator

Use of HGH without a prescription is illegal. There are very few valid reasons for an adult to have a script for HGH. It is not the fountain of youth as described by the MSM or dumb jocks - otherwise you or your close friends would likely be using it and it would be as common as Starbucks.


32 posted on 02/12/2008 6:57:58 PM PST by Oystir
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: Eric Blair 2084

the punishment would violate a separate agreement from the drug law and would lead to a strike or problems within major league baseball. a few mill is not worth a few bill.


33 posted on 02/12/2008 7:02:15 PM PST by Oystir
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: Anti-Bubba182

That’s pretty wild, the difference.

I wonder how many hat sizes the guy went through?


34 posted on 02/12/2008 7:06:17 PM PST by RinaseaofDs
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Always Right

Whether or not Clemens is lying may or may not be earthshaking in light of the probability that most of the overpaid drunks conducting the congressional hearings would not pass a drug test.

What locks MY jaws is having to watch these old athletes trying to stretch their careers, too vain or too stupid to quit while they’re still passable performers. One of the earliest ones for me was fabulous John Unitas. If he’d hung up his spikes when he was still pretty good he could have spent retirement in an undiminished glow; but he played too long until at the end of his career he was no longer really cutting the mustard. Then there is Clemens, and a lot more like him...possibly needing to use “boosters” in order to continue at a high level.

The latest example took place Saturday nite at Daytona at the Budweiser Shootout. Awesome Bill (Elliott) from Dawsonville plowed down along the upper wall and wedged his car there so that wreckers had to pull it loose, while preventing it from rolling down the steep banking which was there at that point in the track. I thought to myself, “For God’s sake, Bill, get a clue! You’re over the hill. Quit before you dodder around and hurt yourself or someone else! Of course, that’s just my humble opinion.


35 posted on 02/12/2008 7:06:19 PM PST by Tucker39 (Just because I'm paranoid is no sign they're not really out to get me!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Pharmboy

this guy hits the nail on the head every single time...


36 posted on 02/12/2008 7:13:13 PM PST by thefactor (the innocent shall not suffer nor the guilty go free...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: zebrahead

An innocent man goes out the next day and sues for libel. Clemens didn’t do that.

Clemens is a cheater.

I feel sorry for the family of Roger Maris, and Hank Aaron, and his family.

These idiots cheated and broke records that were done through sheer skill and stamina.

See, that’s why we have rules. Greatness in art and in sport are defined by the voluntary limitations we place on ourselves, and the amazing things we end up doing despite those limitations.

You can’t airbrush a Degas, and you can’t use a bat in a boxing ring, because the point is not to win, but to prevail - despite our circumstances.

They should just go away. No hall of fame, and no records, and no baseball card signings. Just a guy who hacked the system a little, and pitchers that never came up through the system, and hitters that never got a call - all because the players and the FRICKIN’ UNION decided to look the other way and defecate on the game.

The Patriots may just get their day of glory too - perhaps in a court room, but also from the league. I think we saw what kind of genius was at work at the Super Bowl recently.


37 posted on 02/12/2008 7:17:33 PM PST by RinaseaofDs
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: Anti-Bubba182
Boston didn't let Clemens go for nothing. Over the last two years he had lost it. Those two years he pitched just 500 ball. He was inconsistent with the strike zone for two years in a row. He was surely on the way out and Boston wanted to get something for the fading star before he got even worse. Then after leaving Boston he not only reverted back to the old Clemens we all know, he actually got better than ever. He also got bigger, bigger than a horse. He earned his first three Cy Young awards, and he can stick the other three up his cheating arse.
38 posted on 02/12/2008 7:41:38 PM PST by houstonman58 ("When the Son of Man returns, will there be any faith left on earth, think ye"?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Lokibob
"Guilty of what??? Human growth hormone is not against the law. Used every day for medical purposes."

Sure, when it's legitimately prescribed by an MD for a medical condition, which is not the case with Clemens. HGH is listed in the DEA as a controlled substance, and is scheduled, I believe, as a "III", (addictive and dangerous). Stop the cheaters and expunge their bogus records.

39 posted on 02/12/2008 7:45:50 PM PST by houstonman58 ("When the Son of Man returns, will there be any faith left on earth, think ye"?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: gobucks

The country is going down the tube and people are getting their panties in a wad over happenings in baseball.It’s the “Bread and Circuses” Roman thing all over again.


40 posted on 02/12/2008 7:49:37 PM PST by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: gobucks

I am no Clemens fan, but it is hard for me to believe anything produced by George Mitchell.


41 posted on 02/12/2008 7:50:34 PM PST by writmeister
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: BnBlFlag

“The country is going down the tube and people are getting their panties in a wad over happenings in baseball.It’s the “Bread and Circuses” Roman thing all over again.”

It’s easier to play the fiddle than to put out the fires.


42 posted on 02/13/2008 6:32:54 AM PST by Canedawg (In God We Trust)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 40 | View Replies]

To: Eric Blair 2084

If you look deeper, you’ll find that Giambi’s agent had the word ‘steroids’ taken out of his Uniform Player Contract when it was originally signed, and the Yankees were just fine with that, because they knew the score. So the whole story about them possibly voiding that contract was a sham, the Yankees were in on it. And that’s one of the biggest problems with this whole mess, the teams, the players, and the Commissioner’s Office have all known this was going on for years, and they let it happen knowingly. So everyone is dirty, which makes it hard for anyone to point any fingers.


43 posted on 02/13/2008 6:53:19 AM PST by raptor29
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: DogandPonyShow
Clemons is as guilty as hell.

You must be a Blosox fan...

44 posted on 02/13/2008 6:58:04 AM PST by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: johnny7; All
Why is this ugly Waxman on all 3 cable news channel talking about baseball? I do not care about baseball and do not want my tax dollars wasted on these hearings. Why is the govt involved in this?
45 posted on 02/13/2008 7:25:48 AM PST by TornadoAlley3 (Everytime McCain reaches out to conservatives, conservatives get poked in the eye.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]

To: Always Right
For now I am giving Roger the benefit of the doubt.

McNamee (sp?) is a low life weasel! What kind of a trainer would keep a used syringe from 2001 that he claims he used on Clemens? Sell it as baseball memorabilia? Or perhaps a tool for potential blackmail? If the weasel is telling the truth then I have to believe it was for potential blackmail.....

46 posted on 02/13/2008 7:50:26 AM PST by Hot Tabasco ( Donít go messing with Smokey Taylor. He just bought a whole bunch of fresh ammo.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Canedawg

“The country is going down the tube”

Unreal isn’t it.
That is one of my first worries, if Clemens took steroids.


47 posted on 02/13/2008 8:32:42 AM PST by sweetiepiezer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: gobucks

Nothing better than seeing a Yankee go down in disgrace. The only thing that would make me happier is to see the whole damn team move to Las Vegas.


48 posted on 02/13/2008 8:35:08 AM PST by Clemenza (Ronald Reagan was a "Free Traitor", Like Me ;-))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Clemenza

I really hate seeing this. Roger Clemens has always been my hero and now he is just another liar. Sad to see this. To make matters worse, this McNamee guy is a little nerd that sold out his friend and client. This was not something that had to be drug out before congress, this issue has been an ongoing problem and baseball is handling it now. At least Knoblock and Pettit have the character to tell the truth under oath and face the consequences. At the end of the day they can face their kids and fans and know that they were real men and not afraid of the truth. Clemens has about as much character as Bill Clinton. I am just blown away about this.


49 posted on 02/13/2008 9:33:03 AM PST by BOBWADE
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 48 | View Replies]

To: Huck
In my view, his ballsy defense is just more of Clemens' rabid competitiveness on parade. Give in? Fess up? Screw that. He'll fight til the very end. He's a maniacal competitor. That's why he does it.

I agree. There is too much corroborating testimony to McNamee for him to be lying. Plus, Clemens had already weired me out by his determination to play way past his prime. Juice would help with that. And saying his wife took juice but he only took b-12. Puleeze.

50 posted on 02/13/2008 10:02:25 AM PST by colorado tanker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-60 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson