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To: antinomian

“Remember wars end but federal programs never do”

Hmmm, yes I see your point now. Indeed since Ron Paul thinks World Wars 1 and 2 and the Civil War were also foreign policy “blunders”, then maybe losing a war is just no big deal huh?

In Paul’s bizaare view of the world:

1. The COnfederate bombardment of Fort Sumter;

2. The German sinking of allied shipping in 1916-17;

3. The japanese Bombing of Pearl Harbor;

Should have just gone unanswered, because losing a war is one thing, but adding the Department of Education is just intolerable huh? (SARCASM)

What really bother’s me is these people pass this crap off for conservatism and patriotism. If thats true then the Daily Kos is the TRUE conservative website then. (sarcasm)


121 posted on 01/25/2008 2:00:25 PM PST by darkmatter ("Every attempt to make war easy and safe will result in humiliation and disaster" William T. Sherman)
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To: darkmatter

In Paul’s bizaare view of the world:

1. The COnfederate bombardment of Fort Sumter;

2. The German sinking of allied shipping in 1916-17;

3. The japanese Bombing of Pearl Harbor;

Should have just gone unanswered, 

Nice try. The bombing of Fort Sumpter should have gone unanswered because it was completely justified.

There would have been no issue with the sinking of "Allied" shipping if Wilson had not decreed that American citizens have the right to sail unmolested through a war zone on combatant vessels carrying ammunition. Remember the British were sinking or seizing any ship that approached Germany - including American Ships!

Pearl Harbor was the culmination of four decades of colonial ambitions in China by both the US and Japan. If we had minded our own business with regard to China we would never have ended up in a war with Japan.

134 posted on 01/25/2008 2:09:03 PM PST by antinomian (Show me a robber baron and I'll show you a pocket full of senators.)
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To: darkmatter

Great comments.

The idea that wars end. But this one is like no other.
This is only the beginning.

If they think the enemy will let them keep their 401Ks and checking accounts, they arn’t facing reality.

We will either be killed or wish we were.


146 posted on 01/25/2008 2:14:41 PM PST by SoCalPol (Lets Have A Broker Convention)
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To: darkmatter

“Hmmm, yes I see your point now. Indeed since Ron Paul thinks World Wars 1 and 2 and the Civil War were also foreign policy “blunders”, then maybe losing a war is just no big deal huh?

In Paul’s bizaare view of the world:

1. The COnfederate bombardment of Fort Sumter;

2. The German sinking of allied shipping in 1916-17;

3. The japanese Bombing of Pearl Harbor;

Should have just gone unanswered.”

Actually, I think numbers 1 and 2 should have gone unanswered for the following reasons.:

1. Union troops should’ve gotten out of Ft. Sumter once South Carolina seceded. They didn’t, and wouldn’t leave, so what was the Confederacy supposed to do? There’s no doubt in my mind that the South was in the right in that war. So, I would say that the War Between the States was unnecessary and had both positive (a stronger America) and negative (a reduction in freedoms) results.

2. I also think the Germans had every right to attack Allied shipping in WWI. After all, we went after Japanese shipping pretty vigorously during WWII. Also, the Germans went out of their way to try avoid tragedies like the Lusitania (i.e. openly warning Americans that they considered all Allied ships legitimate targets). To expect a country fighting a two front war against strong enemies to pull punches is unrealistic.

I honestly think the world may have been better off had the Central Powers won WWI (course, we’ll never know)—which I feel they likely would have had we not gotten involved in a war which really didn’t concern us.

As for WWII, I don’t think that would’ve happened were it not for WWI and the terms of the Treaty of Versailles.

I see nothing bizarre about views numbers 1 and 2; nothing at all.

I don’t want to get off topic though. I’m surprised that McClintock is (somewhat) supporting Paul, but I think all it really shows is how crummy our remaining options are. I’d probably vote third party before Paul, but I’m pretty bummed about Thompson’s dropping out.


352 posted on 01/25/2008 10:42:24 PM PST by Constantine XI Palaeologus ("Vicisti, Galilaee")
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