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Lakota Indians Withdraw Treaties Signed With U.S. 150 Years Ago
Fox News ^ | Thursday, December 20, 2007

Posted on 12/20/2007 5:36:13 AM PST by Sopater

WASHINGTON — The Lakota Indians, who gave the world legendary warriors Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse, have withdrawn from treaties with the United States.

"We are no longer citizens of the United States of America and all those who live in the five-state area that encompasses our country are free to join us,'' long-time Indian rights activist Russell Means said.

A delegation of Lakota leaders has delivered a message to the State Department, and said they were unilaterally withdrawing from treaties they signed with the federal government of the U.S., some of them more than 150 years old.

The group also visited the Bolivian, Chilean, South African and Venezuelan embassies, and would continue on their diplomatic mission and take it overseas in the coming weeks and months.

Lakota country includes parts of the states of Nebraska, South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana and Wyoming.

The new country would issue its own passports and driving licences, and living there would be tax-free - provided residents renounce their U.S. citizenship, Mr Means said.

The treaties signed with the U.S. were merely "worthless words on worthless paper," the Lakota freedom activists said.

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: North Dakota; US: South Dakota
KEYWORDS: aim; americanindians; anarchists; brokentreaty; cessession; lakota; russellmeans; sedition; sioux
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To: Vigilanteman
I am part native American. I wouldn't call him mean, goofy maybe but not mean. I was stationed in South Dakota in the early 80s and I’ve heard about and listened to Means after that I just had to say WTF!...He is still not a big a lib as that joke, Ward Churchill.


301 posted on 12/20/2007 5:28:50 PM PST by darkwing104 (Lets get dangerous)
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To: darkwing104
I am part native American also. I think goofy comes from a combination of too much peyote and hanging around with too many leftwingers who tried, and to a large extent, succeeded in hijacking his American Indian Movement.

Russell is actually close kin politically with the anti-tax separatist groups like the Freemen of Montana and Posse Commitatus of the Dakotas. But he is genuinely a nice guy like Willie Nelson. He'd give you the shirt off his back if he thought you needed it worse.

302 posted on 12/20/2007 5:36:11 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: Sopater
I have heard of this guy before. He is no good.

But this is an interesting (and possibly dangerous) development. They could apply to the UN for “peacekeepers” like Kosovo. Now they wouldn’t get any, but the resulting legal hijinks could make a real mess of things.

303 posted on 12/20/2007 5:40:26 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Deaf Smith
Their next move may be to get SCOTUS to release the billions of dollars held in the Indian Trusts.

They were eaten by mice.

304 posted on 12/20/2007 6:41:28 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: kaehurowing

Thanks for the info.


305 posted on 12/20/2007 7:55:47 PM PST by loboinok (Gun control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: Drexxell

Here’s a tip on internet posting: Length of message is not equal to Emotional state. There is a difference between making a reasoned logical argument and being upset. Sorry you have the two confused.

You have also confused something else. Unfairness in the past is one thing, continued unfairness in the PRESENT is entirely different. That is the whole point you seem to be missing. But then it is always easier to ignore difficult problems. Only thing is, they usually end up getting bigger if you don’t address and deal with them. But then we all have different ways of dealing with issues, I tend to address them but that’s just me.

Moslim is an accepted spelling in other languages, forgive my offensive usage. It actually does appear just like that in various spell checkers, I looked just for you.

Oh, before I forget, I use caps for emphasis, sorry I didn’t spell that out for you as well, my bad.

PS: please on next post, deal with the ISSUE rather than inanities? It rather invalidates your point ov view...
K PLS THKS

Merry Christmas and have a great evening!


306 posted on 12/20/2007 8:03:32 PM PST by Danae (Anail nathrach, orth' bhais's bethad, do chel denmha (Smoke clears and Fred Thompson is President))
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To: LachlanMinnesota
...Many people live in the run-down facilities, and there are no jobs for those who want them...

Are they not free to move to where the jobs are?

307 posted on 12/20/2007 8:10:41 PM PST by FReepaholic (This tagline could indicate global warming.)
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To: LachlanMinnesota
They are living on virtual desert land, and there are no jobs.

Even Mexicans know how to fix this. It's called a Maquiladora.

308 posted on 12/20/2007 8:13:00 PM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Danae
Moslim is an accepted spelling in other languages, forgive my offensive usage.

I consider mohammedan to be the proper usage

309 posted on 12/20/2007 8:22:37 PM PST by fso301
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To: floridares

The red road is a reference to a pathway that is positive in life and has nothing to do with the racial aspects of it, as in if you are in recovery from alcoholism, you begin walking the “red road.”


310 posted on 12/20/2007 8:28:13 PM PST by LachlanMinnesota
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To: Interesting Times

WE in MA know when we got it good. You ain’t gettin’ rid of ys that easy. You are going to have to push us into Cape Cod Bay.


311 posted on 12/20/2007 8:29:58 PM PST by Vermont Lt (I am not from Vermont. I lived there for four years and that was enough.)
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To: fso301
A return to enforcing laws against alcohol sales to indians would do a lot to help also.

Right over the So Dakota line, south of the Res, is White Clay, NE. A tiny town built soley on selling the Sioux beer and liquor..

312 posted on 12/20/2007 8:32:40 PM PST by cardinal4 (http://artoriuscastus.blogspot.com/)
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To: darkwing104

His antics insured that Fairchild industries shut down a new electronics plant on the Navajo/Dineh Reservation just before it opened.

Quite a communist idiot . . .

though . . . if the Globalists have their way . . .

his intentions may not be that far fetched . . . however doomed to failure.


313 posted on 12/20/2007 8:32:42 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: TigersEye

I enccourage you to go there and visit...it would give you persepective that you may want to have. I know that it gave me an education. But then again, I need much of that.


314 posted on 12/20/2007 8:49:03 PM PST by LachlanMinnesota
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To: Sopater

Simple solution:

Ban Indian gaming. Full stop.


315 posted on 12/20/2007 8:56:47 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (I'm a proud Yankee Doodle Protectionist)
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To: fish hawk

By both. The first Indians Europeans in North America encountered were the Aztecs, Toltecs, etc [with a governmental form not totally alien to the Europeans], the Powhattan Confederation, the [later named] Wampanoag Confederation, and the Iroquois Confederation [who are now claiming they gave Franklin and the boys the idea for our governmental form.

European settlers wound up fighting the Powhattans [Opechancanough’s Wars], the Wampanoags [King Philip’s War], the Pontiac Confederacy, and at least four of the Six Nations of the Iroquois. From the beginning, Americans treated with Indians as separate nations, which the Indians seemed to prefer [logical in a society based on communal use of resources].

The mistake the U.S made came under Grant, when the cultural separatists won out over the assimilationists, and the old system continued. Indians should have been integrated into the society as individuals, given citizenship, land allotments under the Homestead Act, and temporay support and assistance in transitioning from hunter-gathering to agriculture [or in the case of the Cheyenne, Pawnee and other tribes, transitioning back to agriculture].


316 posted on 12/20/2007 10:14:52 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: LachlanMinnesota
I've lived in the west for most of my 52 years. I have seen many reservations all over the west including Rosebud. I addressed two specific points you made which were absolutely pathetic. Your response is to suggest I need to educate myself and change my perspective. IOWs the problem with your statements lies at my feet ie it's the messenger not the message at fault.

I have plenty of empathy and understanding for the problems Indians face which is probably why I reject your liberal-like excuse making. Leaning on such bleeding heart crutches is one reason those problems still exist after more than a century.

Here are the two points I made in summary if you want to try addressing them substantively...

1. The land on reservations is essentially no different than the surrounding land where others have made sustaining if not lucrative livings. As an example; in south eastern Montana I ran into anglo ranchers leasing land right on the Crow res to graze cattle.

2. Blaming liquor stores for rampant alcoholism is wrong. The implied solution is to interfere with free commerce by gov fiat. That is wrong. The basis for that interference would be what? race? culture? residential status? family lineage? Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.

317 posted on 12/20/2007 10:15:47 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: Danae

Nice post.


318 posted on 12/20/2007 10:17:01 PM PST by sonsofliberty2000
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To: dynachrome

Do you support the Lakota Freedom Delegation’s declaration of sovereign-nation status?

Yes (50 Votes, 23%)

No (172 Votes, 77%)

Total Votes: 222

http://www.rapidcityjournal.com/


319 posted on 12/20/2007 10:32:02 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: fish hawk

Means said anyone could live in the Lakota Nation, tax free, as long as they renounced their U.S. citizenship.

Means’ group is based in Porcupine on Pine Ridge Indian Reservation.

It is not an agency or branch of the Oglala Sioux Tribe. Means ran unsuccessfully for president of the tribe in 2006.

http://www.rapidcityjournal.com/articles/2007/12/20/news/local/doc476a99630633e335271152.txt


320 posted on 12/20/2007 10:36:29 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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