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Sitting Bull's people break away from US
The Australian ^ | December 20, 2007

Posted on 12/19/2007 9:58:16 PM PST by Dundee

THE Lakota Indians, who gave the world legendary warriors Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse, have withdrawn from treaties with the US.

"We are no longer citizens of the United States of America and all those who live in the five-state area that encompasses our country are free to join us," Indian rights activist Russell Means said.

A delegation of Lakota leaders has delivered a message to the State Department, and said they were unilaterally withdrawing from treaties they signed with the federal government of the US...

The group also visited the Bolivian, Chilean, South African and Venezuelan embassies, and would continue on their diplomatic mission and take it overseas in the coming weeks and months.

Lakota country includes parts of the states of Nebraska, South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana and Wyoming.

The new country would issue its own passports and driving licences, and living there would be tax-free provided residents renounce their US citizenship...

The treaties signed with the US were merely "worthless words on worthless paper"...

"This is according to the laws of the United States, specifically article six of the constitution," which states that treaties are the supreme law of the land...

"It is also within the laws on treaties passed at the Vienna Convention and put into effect by the US and the rest of the international community in 1980. We are legally within our rights to be free and independent,"...

The Lakota relaunched their journey to freedom in 1974, when they drafted a declaration of continuing independence...

Thirty-three years have elapsed since then because "it takes critical mass to combat colonialism and we wanted to make sure that all our ducks were in a row,"...

One duck moved into place in September, when the United Nations adopted a non-binding declaration on the rights of indigenous peoples...

(Excerpt) Read more at theaustralian.news.com.au ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: North Dakota; US: South Dakota
KEYWORDS: americanindians; lakota
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To: Dundee

In 150 years they have morphed from Fierce Warriors to Litigation Lizards.


161 posted on 12/22/2007 5:16:43 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Before the government can give you a dollar it must first take it from another American)
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To: Dundee
Who gets awarded all the slot machines in this divorce?

Leni

162 posted on 12/22/2007 5:22:09 AM PST by MinuteGal (Three Cheers for the FRed, White and Blue !!!)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
I dindt know that. Thanx for pointing that out.

Rarely do I ever peruse FreeRepubelick w/out learning something.

Even if its merely a "hit & run": check it out, see what's going on, they still bickering 'bout the same crap as yeesterday (or last week - or even last month?), I've yet to find a time where if I took a few moments to glance through some of the posts that I learned "something that I didn't know".

Sometimes one learns more about who their forum members are than the actual topic. This is a good example of such. Such knowledge is just as valuable as anything else, in that one may run into the same members on a different topic, and subject to certain predjudices/biases and pre-concieved notions that otherwise may be unknown. It would behoove everybody to investigate posting history of anybody that one is inclined to lash out against. Without doubt that's easier said than done.

It appears to me that part of what I've suggested is true, and that in conjunction with the greater whole of what you've posited, comprises the greater truth (only to be disputed by one of the aboriginal First Nations members).

FYI: that later nomenclature is a Canuk term. I believe that term actually carries whatever sense of dignitity that these people may still possess in their hearts and minds.

As far as the aboriginal First Nations being "citizens" of the U.S.A., your citations notwithstanding, I'm sceptical in that dual citizenship is un-Constitutional; you either are or are not - you can't be both. I believe that is can be demonstrated in accordance to LEO jurisdiction with respect to territory. Concerning the nomenclature of "wards" of the State, I'm not going to get into.

The aboriginal First Nations are allowed to pursue thier religios activities (regardless of infringement by DEA regulations), and they are "less" fettered by environmental regulations than U.S.A. citizens.

I agree that there are a great many stupid and ignorant people on this forum (as any forum), and I belong to at least one of those categories (if not both). With respect to cultural or ethnic bigotry, I need to check that; I need to look deep into my heart and ascertain why it is that I may (or may not) feel the way that I do.

Case in point: certain Chines cuisine suggests that cat or dog are delicacies. In fact I suggest that there is a great deal of parallel between the two cultures.

163 posted on 12/22/2007 5:31:55 PM PST by raygun ("It is wrong always, everywhere, and for anyone to believe anything upon insufficient evidence")
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To: RockinRight

Not learning English is one example of multi-culturalism. Allowing the Indians to be treated as separate from the US is another huge problem.


164 posted on 12/22/2007 8:01:53 PM PST by winner3000
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To: Kozak
Goody. So the treaties are void, and all the special rights granted are revoked. No more reservations, no more tax free status, no more federal pork. Get a job Tonto, and be sure to file that 1040 come April.

I would love the casino rich Indians make the same declarations and then have state police cruisers block the entrances and bankrupt the gambling operations. Here in Florida the horse tracks are allowed slots and poker and pay 65% taxes on this. Seminoles pay nothing. And this is when Florida has economic problems due to real estate

This sovereign nation stuff is just so much bull. Indians have fought in the US Army and have a humongous array of welfare programs available from Uncle Sugar

165 posted on 12/22/2007 8:08:13 PM PST by dennisw (`)
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To: maine-iac7
Russell Means, Oglala/Lakota, on the other hand, is an angry militant = and has spent his life making trouble.
 
He's a fine actor such as in "Last of Mohicans"
166 posted on 12/22/2007 8:09:52 PM PST by dennisw (`)
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To: Dundee; All
Please tell me that this is a joke.

According to this, it’s bad reporting that propagated like mad.

167 posted on 12/22/2007 8:12:18 PM PST by dighton
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To: Dundee

The left just gets loonier by the minute.

First there was Feinstein et al and the “secession” talk after the 04 election.

Accompanied by the emigration threats to Canada, Australia, Western Europe (side note: ever notice how these tolerant, “diversity” advocates always threaten to move to predominantly white countries?)

Now this. LOL

What a bunch of total nutcases. But please, leave. Go “diversify” the Third World. You’ll fit right in.


168 posted on 12/22/2007 9:04:33 PM PST by A_Former_Democrat
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To: A_Former_Democrat

I heard “Skunk-Monkey” is all the rage...

Put “Skunk Monkey, or Skink Minky, or whatnot...

That’s what I heard...

Dunno...

I’m pretty scared ‘bout it all...

“Skunk-monkey” pretty much sums it up, eh?


169 posted on 01/10/2008 12:39:10 AM PST by raygun (Everyting is a class escept when the object within the class has properties.)
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To: Dundee
No it is not a joke. Expect the movement for Balkanization to continue to pick up steam in the United States.

You are going to see other racial and ethnic enclaves in the United States begin to poke their beaks through the shell in the days ahead.

The US government reaction needs to be strong and forceful and if it is not then it will embolden others.

I've said it once before here at FR and I'll say it again - diversity and multiculturalism in lieu of the melting pot is a recipe for national disaster.

From a blog posting of mine...

"Take a cue from a country like Singapore who had to learn the hard way about the wondrous glories of diversity and multiculturalism. A country who was forced to adopt Draconian laws limiting freedom of speech just to ensure ethnic and religious harmony and who has spent countless millions over the years on government propaganda directed at their own citizens extolling nationalism and unity over diversity. Funny how there is no mention of how "diversity is strength" in this little ditty penned by Singapore's Ministry of Information, Communication & the Arts entitled "We are Singapore". Is this what we want for the United States?

How long will it be before these ethnic and racial enclaves that are being nurtured like unhatched chickens begin to poke their beaks through the shell? I fear it won't be long now. From having lived in a multicultural society, I can say from personal experience that rising ethnic chauvinism among immigrants both illegal or legal is not only a warning sign, but is is the ultimate destroyer of peace and harmony and when the winds shift it will get bloody. When that happens there will be two paths for Americans to take and both of them will be unpleasant. Either Americans will stand up and fight for liberty and freedom or they will have to accept certain restrictions to liberty and freedom in order to keep the peace."

The Balkanization of America

170 posted on 01/10/2008 12:53:52 AM PST by expatguy (Support Conservative Blogging - "An American Expat in Southeast Asia")
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To: Dundee
this is great news...no more North Dakota Indians camping out to vote in South Dakota....no more monthly payments...no more medicare or medicaid or Social Security.....

the US as I see it can now stop them at their border and demand identification.....the US can now demand tariffs on their cigs and their booze that they sell to people coming into America...

171 posted on 01/10/2008 12:59:02 AM PST by cherry
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To: devere
life's tought ain't it?.....

I've been robbed by the govt my whole life by taxation and nobody gives a rip...

172 posted on 01/10/2008 1:01:59 AM PST by cherry
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To: Rushmore Rocks

“I own 40 acres in the middle of the Black Hills of South Dakota. I paid for it. It is mine. They cannot have it back.”

You bought stolen land, so legally your title is no good. Of course past precedent ( Maine ) is that privately held land has not been returned, only government-owned land. The Sioux would need to be very lucky to get that much. The rule of law is a sporadic thing here in the USA.


173 posted on 01/10/2008 7:32:24 AM PST by devere
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To: SIDENET
Maybe so, isn’t everything?
174 posted on 01/10/2008 8:02:46 AM PST by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
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To: Dundee
"We are no longer citizens of the United States of America and all those who live in the five-state area that encompasses our country are free to join us,"


Good for them. After what this government did to them, i'd say it's about time they stood up and denounced their citizenship. Even if it is just a nominal gesture.
175 posted on 01/10/2008 8:08:06 AM PST by petconservative (4 more years (ilovemybush))
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To: Dundee
I am not disappointed this morning. When I saw a thread about American Indians I fully expected the Casino/welfare/on the dole/lazy/drunken/ you lost the war crap that I see on about every Indian thread that shows up here. You guys never let me down with your consistency. (an exception for you few who wrote sensible comments,Aloha)
176 posted on 01/10/2008 8:08:36 AM PST by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
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To: raygun

Better buck up on your history. Indians were made citizens in 1924.


177 posted on 01/10/2008 8:14:49 AM PST by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
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To: Tzimisce

The Lib/Democrats have been promising the moon to Indians about every four years at election time and, of course, never delivering the goods. Yet the Indians are still about 90% Democrat as far as votes go. Why do they not turn Republican, here’s a hint, read this thread? (of which I suspect is mostly Republicans)


178 posted on 01/10/2008 8:23:08 AM PST by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
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To: devere
The Sioux have a real grievance. The Fort Laramie Treaty of 1868, which gives them the Black Hills, was unilaterally abrogated by the US when gold was found there. The Sioux went on the warpath, and Custer paid with his life. In United States v. Sioux Nation of Indians, 448 U.S. 371 (1980) the Supreme Court ruled in favor of the Sioux, but refused to order return of the lands, instead proposing monetary damages, which the Sioux have refused to accept.

Regardless, this "Lakota Nation" is a group of far leftist radicals taking their lead from the likes of Hugo Chavez, and has little to do with the actual tribe the U.S. maintains official relations with, which is led by Alex White Plume, not Russell Means. His group can no more be said to represent the Lakota than, say, the Black Panthers could have been said to have represented black Americans.
179 posted on 01/10/2008 8:27:56 AM PST by mjolnir ("All great change in America begins at the dinner table.")
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To: fish hawk

You definitely have a point.


180 posted on 01/10/2008 7:20:58 PM PST by SIDENET (Hubba Hubba...)
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