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To: Alberta's Child
A steel member in a structure is typically designed to accommodate 40% more than its anticipated "dead" load and 70% more than its anticipated "live" load.

I'm also an engineer. Seems to me that dropping a bridge as completely as this would be a huge undertaking for Jonnie Jihadist. This wasn't terrorism.

447 posted on 08/01/2007 5:25:49 PM PDT by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: GOP_Party_Animal
I agree -- at first glance.

It's pretty amazing how small a failure can be that causes this kind of catastrophe. The fact that there's been construction work in the area raises an immediate suspicion in my mind.

I'm supposed to be in Minneapolis on Saturday, too. I hope I have a chance to get a look at this scene while I'm there.

474 posted on 08/01/2007 5:28:17 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: GOP_Party_Animal; Alberta's Child

If this was terrorism, it would be visible. I’ve seen collapses where the load on the steel and concrete was calculated improperly and that’s what it looks like to me, the fact that there is major construction going on makes this all the more likely. Not to mention that all of the piles seem intact and that is where an explosive would have been placed.


490 posted on 08/01/2007 5:30:40 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: GOP_Party_Animal

“A steel member in a structure is typically designed to accommodate 40% more than its anticipated “dead” load and 70% more than its anticipated “live” load”

That may be what you require as an engineer, but as a steel detailer, I always design each end connections for 75% of the total uniform load. we always go further than what the engineer calls for. You are right this probably wasn’t terrorism, I just didn’t want people to think that traffic isn’t taken into consideration when designing a bridge. Or that crappy material would be used without many levels of checking. The engineers of this country and the AISC using ASD are the best in the world. I just don’t want people loosing faith in engineers.


526 posted on 08/01/2007 5:33:47 PM PDT by Weight of Glory
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