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A three-pronged plan to bring America down (Bush's Amnesty advances North American Union)
RenewAmerica.us ^ | June 17, 2007 | Joshua Herring

Posted on 06/17/2007 8:53:07 AM PDT by cpforlife.org



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A three-pronged plan to bring America down

June 17, 2007
Joshua Herring
RenewAmerica analyst

In an article that I read recently, there was a tragic story. It filled my heart with sorrow to think of Americans devastated in the workplace by policies that exhibit an inexcusable lack of sensitivity and civic responsibility. This is the story of which I speak:

    Fox News reported on a particularly tragic example of job displacement that took place in 2003: "Kevin Flanagan, a computer programmer with Bank of America, was fired from his job after being forced to train his replacement, an Indian worker who was taking over Flanagan's job as part of Bank of America's effort to replace its American workforce with foreign labor. Flanagan walked outside into his office parking lot and shot himself to death." (emphasis added) [1]

How sad and how utterly abhorrent this is. Given current trends, I wonder how many more tragic stories resulting from this kind of cruel injustice there will be in days to come. How many stories of American children growing up in abject poverty, deprived of even their most basic needs; stories of families being driven from their homes with no place to go; and stories of marriages that fell apart due to intense financial pressure. I also wonder how many stories there will be about the devastating impact those divorces had on the lives of children in America. The reason I wonder is because this kind of job displacement is going to increase in days to come, unless something dramatic takes place to prevent it

The 110th Congress has been wrestling with an immigration reform bill. Those supporting the bill say it would provide "cheap labor" as if that would unquestionably be a good thing. There is more involved with what I intend to touch on here, and the ramifications of those things are many, but due to space constraints I can only deal with some economic aspects of the problem.

Where are men like James Madison when we need them today?

The most basic and essential duties of the United States Congress are to guard against things that undermine the Constitution, chip away at national sovereignty, or threaten national stability and security. Nevertheless, at this point, we are facing a clear and present danger resulting from dereliction of duty on the part of our leaders.

As much as I would like to place all the blame on liberals in the Democratic Party, the truth is that part of the blame rests upon people in the Republicans party. I'm speaking of people, many of whom still have the nerve to call themselves conservatives when even the term RINO will no longer suffice in describing them. They are well on their way to becoming full-fledged liberals, and President Bush has been leading the charge.

The three-pronged plan of attack

This essay is about a three-pronged plan of attack designed to diminish American sovereignty, strength, security, and stability. Regardless of how anyone voted, and as important as that information is, the problem goes much deeper than that. I am firmly persuaded that the amnesty bill is only one part of a plan to bring this nation down. What do I mean when I speak of a "three pronged" plan of attack?

1 — There is the latest immigration bill slated to return to the Senate floor for debate. Despite all the rhetorical subterfuge and denials, it is true that passage of the immigration reform Congress is wrestling with would, de facto, grant amnesty to anywhere from 12–20 million illegal immigrants.

2 — Then there is NAFTA, the North American Free Trade Agreement. This agreement has already contributed to economic problems that will have long-term negative impact on our nation. Don't be fooled by the fact that most of these negative effects have yet to materialize, because they are coming and I intend to show you why.

3 — In addition to NAFTA, now there is CAFTA, the Central American Free Trade Agreement. I believe CAFTA is the more dangerous of the two.

The consequences of these three things will virtually transform America — but not for the better. In facilitation of the trade agreements, a superhighway is to be built. The width of the highway is to be four hundred yards and it is known as "North America's SuperCorridor." It will run through several Mexican states and through Texas, Oklahoma, Missouri, Kansas, Indiana, Michigan, Illinois, Nebraska, Minnesota, North Dakota and South Dakota, and the Canadian provinces of Manitoba and Ontario. Close your eyes for a moment and picture a highway as wide as the length of four football fields. Can you imagine that? Can you also imagine the mass displacement of people who will be driven from their homes to clear the way for this highway?!

When I consider the most recent Supreme Court decision pertaining to eminent domain, I think, "How utterly convenient that is, and what a coincidence." This ruling permits local governments to seize homes and businesses for private projects that "promote economic development." This was a highly irregular decision by the Court, to say the very least, and it was certainly well-timed to facilitate the needs of those planning the "SuperCorridor." This highway is to provide not only truck routes entering the United States from Mexico; it will include both passenger and freight railroad lines that run alongside of oil and natural gas pipelines.

A few pertinent details

Let's take a quick look at a few aspects of the two free trade agreements before going any further. First of all, let's consider the words of current Republican presidential candidate Congressman Tom Tancredo, regarding CAFTA and some of its provisions.

    CAFTA would do more than just phase out tariffs and open new markets — a lot more. For example, buried among its nearly 1,000 pages, the agreement contains an expansive definition of "cross-border trade in services." This definition would give people in Central American nations a de facto right to work in the United States. CAFTA is more than a trade agreement about sugar and bananas. It is a thinly disguised immigration accord.

    What those provisions mean is that a foreign company would be empowered under CAFTA to challenge the validity of our immigration laws. If an international tribunal rules against us, Congress would then be forced to change our immigration laws or face international trade sanctions. These tribunals have the authority to rule that U.S. immigration limits, visa requirements, or even licensing requirements and zoning rules are "unnecessary burdens to trade" that act as "restrictions on the supply of a service."

    If CAFTA were really just about trade, the agreement would be little more than a few pages long, declaring that tariff treatment for U.S. and Central American goods will be on a reciprocal basis. But it isn't. In reality, CAFTA is about expanding a growing body of international law that supersedes our own. If CAFTA is approved, Congress' "exclusive" authority to regulate immigration policy will be subjugated to the whim of international tribunals and trade panels — in much the same way that Congress' once supreme constitutional authority to "regulate commerce with foreign nations," has already been largely ceded to the WTO [World Trade Organization]. [2]

Now let's take a quick look at NAFTA before we move on. NAFTA has been in effect since 1994.

    NAFTA, by permitting heavily-subsidized U.S. corn and other agri-business products to compete with small Mexican farmers, has driven the Mexican farmer off the land due to low-priced imports of U.S. corn and other agricultural products. Some 2 million Mexicans have been forced out of agriculture, and many of those that remain are living in desperate poverty. These people are among those that cross the border to feed their families. (Meanwhile, corn-based tortilla prices climbed by 50%. No wonder so many Mexican peasants have called NAFTA their 'death warrant.')

    NAFTA's service-sector rules allowed big firms like Wal-Mart to enter the Mexican market and, selling low-priced goods made by ultra-cheap labor in China, to displace locally-based shoe, toy, and candy firms. An estimated 28,000 small and medium-sized Mexican businesses have been eliminated. Wages along the Mexican border have actually been driven down by about 25% since NAFTA, reported a Carnegie Endowment study. An over-supply of workers, combined with the crushing of union organizing drives as government policy, has resulted in sweatshop pay running sweatshops along the border where wages typically run 60 cents to $1 an hour. [3]

And this is, as they say in movie advertisements, "Coming soon to a theater near you!" What has been taking place in Mexico will work its way around to the U.S., and it will have a similar impact on the owners of small to medium-sized businesses. Please note that in what you just read — as wages went down, the price of at least some Mexican food staples rose dramatically. In addition to this, NAFTA has, by virtue of damage done to Mexican farmers and other business owners, driven hordes of illegal immigrants into America who will work for less money than American's do even after naturalization.

Meanwhile, authority contained in CAFTA will be transferred to various supranational and UN entities such as the Codex Alimentarius, the World Trade Organization, and the International Labour Organization. An international trade panel will have authority to override U.S. immigration laws and other laws that get in the way. The panel will be made up of one American and two Central Americans. This unequal balance of power will leave the U.S. at a disadvantage, as decisions are made that strip away our national sovereignty. And CAFTA will lead to the immigration of people from Central America with government sanction that will be sent specifically for the purpose working here. This will cause progressive displacement of American workers to facilitate the agendas of Central Americans.

As we go forward from here, there are a couple of things I would like you to keep in mind. First, while the immigration reform bill has yet to be passed, the same cannot be said of NAFTA and CAFTA. Therefore, even if fewer immigrants are naturalized than the 12–20 million covered by the pending legislation, that fact will not prevent the things I'm talking about from coming about. The other thing to bear in mind is the fact that economically speaking, the term "shortage" doesn't mean "scarcity." It simply means there isn't enough of something to satisfy everyone. This having been said, now I will touch on some things that are being ignored because they would otherwise interfere with the plans of globalists.

Cause and effect realities that cannot be ignored

Proponents of the current immigration package say the bill will provide the American workforce with cheap labor. Many Americans think this will lead to lower prices and wonder what could possibly be wrong with that. However, application of a few basic economic principles begins to remove the gossamer covering of some of the hidden dangers of CAFTA and NAFTA. Regardless of how it all plays out, prices will go down temporarily at some point, as more immigrants come to America and imports come from other countries that will be too cheap for American companies to compete. This will take place for reasons I will get into shortly.

Economic principles and the laws of nature

Economics principles are like the laws of nature: there is no way to ignore them and get away with it. In his book, Basic Economics, Thomas Sowell speaks of rent control shortly after WW II having kept the cost of housing artificially low for an extended period of time. As a result, many young adults of college age who were still living with their parents could afford to rent an apartment. At the same time, people who were affluent rented a second and sometimes even a third house or apartment.

In addition to this, couples without children were renting three and four bedroom units simply because they could afford to. All this produced a serious housing shortage, despite the fact that there were basically no more people in need of housing, and no less housing to go around than before. An economic principle came into play that is consistently true: lowering prices leads to market shortages.

Given the level of immigration, both legal and illegal, brought about through amnesty and by virtue of CAFTA and NAFTA — combined with the cheaper imports I just spoke of — all this will eventually have an impact on the American marketplace that will be dramatic. Although much of it will not show immediately, the impact will indeed be negative, due in part to an unproductive economic cycle being set into motion. First, lower prices will lead to altered spending patterns that cause market shortages and significantly diminish what is available to the poor. If a shortage isn't severe enough to lead to black market activity, it can still lead to discriminatory behind-the-counter activities that will diminish the supply leftover for the average consumer.

The impact all this will have on American business owners and the workplace

Lower prices will also make it more difficult for those who produce some things to stay in business. If businesses cannot use cheap labor for some reason, they will not be able to price things competitively and still cover their costs. Therefore, many who aren't forced out of business will make changes and target a different market, catering only to those who are more affluent. At the same time, major increases in cheap labor and the cheaper imports will eventually cause prices that were originally lowered to rise. This is something else that will come about due to market shortages, as they create a greater demand than supply can keep up with.

As all this is taking place, increasing numbers of Americans will lose their jobs, as they are displaced by foreign labor. Eventually, even businessmen who don't want to hire foreign workers will be forced to make the transition to avoid insolvency. The cost of doing business in the U.S. can only be brought so low, and there are only so many ways to do so. Eventually, the only way to compete with cheaper imports will be for Americans to drop standards pertaining to everything from wages, to quality control, to employee benefits, etc. Yet, even after all that has been done, it still won't be enough to make up the needed difference.

Health, safety, and environmental regulations enforced by OSHA, the EPA, and other government agencies are already making things very difficult. This has forced many small business owners out of business who cannot — to give just one example — afford all the waste treatment required to operate since regulations have been tightened. They would face stiff fines for ignoring some of those regulations, and imprisonment for other violations. Because of CAFTA and NAFTA, in the future the same regulations will gradually make it difficult for all but the largest businesses and corporations affected by such regulations to survive amidst competition with imports from other nations.

Many of those nations don't have such rigid regulations and safety standards, and because of CAFTA and NAFTA, they will no longer have to deal with import tariffs on things sent to America. In the final analysis, as time passes the number of American companies outsourcing jobs, the number of companies that have gone under, and the number of American workers displaced by immigrants will drive the unemployment rate in America right through the roof.

The short term result of all this will be that people who are less than affluent will have to tighten their belts, and determine their needs and preferences more carefully. They will have to do without some things to avoid losing other things increasingly considered to be "luxuries," but which people simply aren't willing to do without. The long-term result will be something that has already happened in some European nations. All this will accelerate the rate at which America is moving toward becoming a society made up of only two classes — the very rich and the very poor.

The political ramifications involved

Nevertheless, poor people will invariably continue to vote for liberals, thinking they will fare better with them in office — when in fact, virtually everyone does better, poor people included, with politicians in office who are better stewards of government money than liberals tend to be. There is also another political factor that will eventually come into play, and the very thought of this breaks my heart.

In a society in which the middle class is being eliminated, eventually proletariats will outnumber the wealthy by a wide margin. The American system of choosing leaders by voting will give the poor an increasing advantage at the polls. However, the rich will never surrender their power and privilege in this nation. Therefore, in the long run, our government will have to be gradually transformed into something more resembling an oligarchy than the republic it once was. It might even undergo such massive change that for all practical intents and purposes, the U.S. Constitution will become obsolete.

More causes of a major transformation

We live in a society that is supposed to operate on the basis of the "free enterprise system" — that is, a system in which businesses operate competitively without government interference that goes beyond regulation to protect the public interest and keep the economy stable. As I've already mentioned, the key factors in such a system are supply and demand.

Reliance on supply and demand is the only trustworthy means of determining how resources can be used most efficiently, and the only means of seeing to it that prices create a stable market. By contrast, subsidization by the government of large corporations has the effect of seeing to it that in the long run, prices will not cover the cost of production for at least some businesses. When this fact is ignored, smaller business owners end up taking the hit first.

Unfortunately, full implementation of NAFTA and CAFTA will cause the severity of the problems created by government subsidization to increase exponentially. Gradually, even some of the larger businesses will find it difficult to survive as a result. Those businesses must cover production costs with prices determined by market conditions or they will possibly lose everything. There is no government cushion provided to cover them for problems created by abnormal fluctuations in the marketplace as there is with corporations subsidized by the government.

Subsidization of large corporations interferes with the principle of incremental change that takes place when business is done normally, as gradual adjustments and substitutions are made due to changes in supply and demand. This is one of the things that lead to the development of abnormal market fluctuations and imbalances in supply and demand. But in every case, a day comes when something must begin to compensate for this. As much as politicians try and ignore these realities, there is no getting around them.

The impact of all this on the government as a whole

The problems created by this kind of activity don't show up right away, and politicians use that to their advantage. They create policies and programs like the current immigration reform bill, for example, and convince the public they have done something good when they are actually just catering to big business interests. Every time they do this, the real problems don't become evident for a while — and often by the time they finally come to light, the situation is at or near crisis level. The Savings and Loan crisis of the eighties was an example of this. The cost of the crisis is estimated to have been around $150 billion. About $125 billion of it was directly subsidized by the U.S. government. This contributed to large budget deficits in the early 1990s.

Things like this create unnecessary needs that could have been avoided — needs that some politicians believe call for socialistic programs as a solution. However, for a variety of reasons, socialistic policies — while leading to everyone's needs being met in theory — have the opposite effect in practice. One of the reasons is that people who don't have to work for what they get are less responsible about consumption.

Therefore, supplies and/or services become inadequate to meet people's needs, while at the same time the cost of doing business tends to skyrocket. This is because any time the government begins to pick up the tab for something — like healthcare, for instance — politicians and bureaucrats write rules and provisions into the system that aren't cost-effective.

Let me give you one quick example of what I'm talking about. In facilities that care for the elderly and take patients in for rehabilitation, the maximum amount private insurance companies will pay runs from $250 to $350 per day. The people in charge of admissions in those facilities work hard to see that beds are filled with Medicare patients, because the federal government will pay in excess of $700 per day. The price of everything from supplies, to treatments, to therapy increases when the federal government is footing the bill.

This is something that holds true with any industry involved. No one really cares about what the government pays. Therefore the government's cost of doing business rises steadily. Here again, the costs created by such practices must be made up somewhere. In the long run, it simply ends up being taken out of the pockets of hard working citizens. This is true regardless of whether it takes place in a free enterprise system or a command economy.

Politicians are always trying to find a way to deal with societal problems and needs without facing realities that to them are inconvenient. Most of the problems aren't nearly as difficult to solve as they make it seem. But coming to conclusions that will provide real solutions requires an approach that doesn't ignore the need for realistic analysis and operation according to sound principles.

In conclusion

If a balloon is squeezed roughly, it causes the displacement of air and enlarges the balloon. However, this sort of handling of a balloon can end up causing weak spots that will collapse the balloon eventually. Most balloons aren't meant to be handled that way, any more than the American government is meant to be handled the way our politicians handle it today. If they don't quit putting the squeeze on Americans and ignoring sound principles to further their political agendas, a day is soon to come when their balloon will . . . POP!!!

A three-pronged plan of attack has been leveled against American sovereignty, strength, security, and stability that I believe was conceived in the very pit of hell. There are two things which must be done if we are to prevent the kind of destruction of our republic that I've been describing. First, we must work hard between now and November 2008 to see that more responsible people are voted into Congress and the Oval Office.

Second, since I am persuaded that the origin of the plot is hell itself, I believe we need to cancel our dinner reservations, put on some sackcloth, and begin to pray. (Sackcloth is optional in modern times, but I'm sure you get the idea — this is serious!) Two of the three prongs in this plan of attack have already been approved by Congress, and as I said, stopping the immigration bill will not prevent what I've outlined here from happening — at most it will only delay the onset of some things. Unless something is done about NAFTA and CAFTA, and unless immigration is brought under control, we are in for big trouble.

Rectifying the situation will be no small accomplishment. We need help that can only come from above.

    "If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land." 2 Chr. 7:14 NKJV

NOTES:

[1]  New American: Inviting Our Own Problems
By Kurt Hyde (Interview), 05–28 — 2007
http://www.jbs.org/node/3943

[2]  RenewAmerica: Preamble to QOTW
Tom Tancredo on CAFTA
http://www.renewamerica.us/forum/?date=050807&a=2

[3]  Wikipedia: North American Free Trade Agreement
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAFTA#Impact_on_Mexican_farmers

RenewAmerica analyst Joshua Herring also writes a column for RenewAmerica.

© 2007 Joshua Herring


The views expressed by RenewAmerica analysts are their own and do not necessarily reflect the position of Alan Keyes, RenewAmerica, or its affiliates.




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To: greeneyes

Phyllis Schaffly is one awesome lady. Saw her on booknotes, and she is sharp as a tack. Have you read any of her books? She has a good one on the tyranny of judges and how to stop it.

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AGREED. And she does her homework. She has her facts straight and a wealth of facts as well.

We do well to pray for her health and protection. She’s a vital watchman in this critical END TIMES era.


121 posted on 06/18/2007 5:37:18 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: B4Ranch

There hasn’t been any reason for them to alter plans. It’s working and the sheep are still grazing, fat and healthy.

= = =

Mostly the sheeple are zombied out on mind numbing and distracting media and entertainment laced liberally with insideous propaganda . . . or they are comotose.


122 posted on 06/18/2007 5:39:13 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: cpforlife.org

bttt


123 posted on 06/18/2007 5:46:29 AM PDT by citizen (Bi-Partisan (Dims+Bush) Amnistia coming soon to a nation near you. "We don't need no stinkin' fence")
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To: CodeToad

If that happened to me, I think I’d be........rather......pissed off.


124 posted on 06/18/2007 6:15:14 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: ears_to_hear

File it in the archives under, “The Road to CW2.”


125 posted on 06/18/2007 6:16:43 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Travis McGee
I'm worried....
..Where are all the phone calls this mornig?

I easily got through to Bill Nelson's office..(a rarity)....

..and spoke to a LIVE person.

I also easily got through to Mel Martinez office and after speaking to a LIVE person she directed me to the 'immigration expert' which turned out to be a voicemail, but I left my irate message anyway!

The phone lines should be burning up today!

126 posted on 06/18/2007 6:33:48 AM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President, 2008!!)
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To: Quix

Precisely. As a web-marketer, I subscribe to the various journals (e.g., “Rich Jerk”) which describe in detail how to get rich quick on the internet.

The formula goes like this: 1) find something that plays on a person’s fear, 2) gather content-rich info (articles, etc.) and build a website. Google ads & Google web-page rank higher when more keyword content is provided. 3) Link to as many money-grabbing opportunities as possible (book links, item sales, paypal donate buttons, google ads). 4) Do not offer any type of financial report as to where money is going. 5) laugh your way to the bank.

I asked earlier: show me one anti-NAU website that is not getting rich off paranoia and I’ll consider taking the issue seriously.

As for the SPP, I do not see the dangers this poses for America. Sorry, but free trade & open communication with neighboring countries is, IMO, a good thing.


127 posted on 06/18/2007 6:51:44 AM PDT by littlehouse36
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To: ConservativeMind; Alamo-Girl; airborne; American in Israel; AnimalLover; auggy; backhoe; ...

3RD TRY:

Rats. Lost the pending post. Starting over, in MS Word, this time.

END TIMES PING LIST PING—for the links. Please let me know if you want on, or off the list.

ConservativeMind,

I don’t particularly quibble with your points about the document. I just think they are moot—irrelevant.

The NWO folks are real. The global socialist, communist, globalist elite ARE and HAVE BEEN for at least 50 years coercing and manipulating the planet into a tyrannical global government.

That’s a FACT . . . a most emphatic fact.

We are well past the handwriting on the wall. The handwriting has been placed figuratively on multiple billboards all over the world. It has even been written in the sky and in space if one knows where to look—in terms of the cabal’s actions there.

My sources were original source materials in the cabal’s own documents and personal statements 1965-1969. But since, there have been an abundance of organizations outing the evil doers. Yes, the web is a mixed bag. But there are a number of quality sites. I’m not overly familiar with them because I know enough to get most of my updates from the conventional media. Any thinking perceptive person could, at this point.

But a web search by a discerning good filtering sort of person would result in a ton of quality documents.

The BEST, LARGEST alternative news/conspiracy/UFO site I know of and reportedly in existence is:

HTTP://WWW.ABOVETOPSECRET.COM

They are based in the UK and have a lot of UK sensibilities including a fierce DEMAND for civility and NO HINT of racism, which, mind bogglingly can take the form of no castigating even of Jihadi’s. They also do not tolerate well one line posts etc. They have a passion for every post being meaningful and substantive. They don’t tolerate posting whole documents either and are fairly fierce about copyright issues. 3 paragraphs from a source are about all that’s tolerated. MEMBERS HAVE FEW ADS so signing up is worth it.

However, they have sections in the monster site dedicated to the NWO as well as to the NAU etc. I’ll offer some useful links for folks below . . . from that site

The site is particularly good at ferreting out hoaxes in a complex field. And, they fairly ruthlessly tease apart weak evidence and weak arguments. Shockingly, there are some threads in support of the NWO.

NWO FORUM with umpteen threads:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/21/pg1/srtpages

North American Union Constitution:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread278703/pg1

North American Union Admission:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread285475/pg1

Video: North American Union Discussed on FOX:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread285158/pg1

North American Future 2025 Project:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread284129/pg1

THE NAU:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread268658/pg1

PROOF OF THE NWO:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread275696/pgS1
EVERYTHING YOU WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT THE NWO: INCEDIBLE INFORMATION:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread274443/pg1

VeriChip to implant RFID chips inside of US soldiers:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread273507/pg1

THE SHOCKING TRUTH ABOUT THE MICROCHIP—BOOK REVIEW—BOOK AVAILABLE FREE ONLINE:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread114582/pg1
Wake up already and smell the truth before your very noses NWO has been here for years we live under:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread280350/pg1

The NWO, The U.N. & A Single World Currency???:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread279488/pg1

A Compilation of N.W.O Videos.:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread279467/pg1

PHASE ONE NWO IN PROGRESS:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread282077/pg1

GEORGIA GUIDESTONES:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread53945/pg1

G8 gives green light to Global Biometric database:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread284921/pg1

YOU WANT PROOF?
It is the intention of this thread to contain valid articles of evidence of the existence and plans of the NWO. Quotes from Rockefeller, WTO IMF plans, NAFTA NAU articles, military plans, control technologies etc... Let’s convince those who are not convinced. Let’s consolidate our research here. Please avoid trivial comments.:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread286587/pg1

[ABOVE sadly not a very long thread. But there is a LOT of proof on ATS]

Dept. of Homeland Security: “You’ll get a National ID and you’ll Like it”:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread282086/pg1

U.S. Concentration Camps on Google Maps:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread286496/pg1

BILDERBERG 2007 THREAD:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread271058/pg1

AN UPDATED THREAD LISTING ALL THE NWO TREADS ON ATS:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread58350/pg1

MSNBC:Cashless Society with Implanted Microchip by 2017: VIDEO REPORT:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread282732/pg1

YOUTH HUMAN RIGHTS ORG PROMOTES UN AS WORLD GOVERNMENT:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread286995/pg1

WW3 COMING SOON

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread283413/pg1

This recent statement by the CEO of the site—consistently in the top 20 traffic sites . . . gives their rules and flavor in brief summary:

Manners Are Required, Not Requested

We anticipate our members are here because of what ATS stands for and what makes us different. We stand firm on an aspirational ideal of supporting the free expression of nearly anything within the simple confines of polite decorum.

(1) We ATS members need to embrace and welcome those with highly speculative theories that may be based on little more than guesses. These are the ideas that help maintain the upper limits of what may be.

(2) We ATS members need to support the investigation of fantastic ideas based on evidentiary observations across the entire spectrum of our topics. These are the discussions that zero-in on what is likely to be.

(3) We ATS members need to encourage and welcome critical and skeptical questions that force us to look closely at our ideas and evidence. This is the process by which truth is discovered and we agree upon what is.

We ATS members need to realize all of three aspects of discussion are important to our motto of “Deny Ignorance.” If you believe your theory, idea, or skepticism is critical to the discussion, than you owe it to yourself and the topic to present your ideas with the inherent credibility of deferential collaboration.

If you cannot participate under these amazingly simple guidelines, then we must assume you are more interested in the entertainment value of disruption and appropriate action will be taken. Simple.

We apologize that this reminded of our core ideology is required. Expect that this is a wake-up call that a renewed enforcement of civility will start now.

Thank you.

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128 posted on 06/18/2007 7:05:14 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: littlehouse36

I support free trade and open communication.

What they are setting up will be the opposite of free trade and the opposite of free communication.

Consider the MAIN STREAM MEDIA . . . that’s supposed to be free in this US OF A.

It’s anything BUT free.

Can you imagine Shrillery with her IRS files to punish enemies—how free communication would be under her as head of the North American Union?

Hello?

Wake up!

The evidence is available . . . solid, clear evidence from the guilty in their own words and publications.

Get informed. Your life and family will depend on it at some point.


129 posted on 06/18/2007 7:10:02 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: ConservativeMind; Quix; All
ConservativeMind,

You’ve made some good points. The author does push the boundaries and employs emotional themes more than specifics on his points. I do think though that his basic premise is fairly accurate and should not be dismissed out of hand.

My focus for the last 10 years has been pro-life and I’m guessing 99+ percent of my Freeping has been on pro-life — until about two weeks ago when Bush and the amnesty crowd triggered some internal alarm.

I don’t think many conservative folks have much doubt that Our Constitution and national sovereignty has been weakened in various ways over the last several decades. That is my main reason for starting this thread. The author’s overall message, however alarmist, is starting to look progressively more plausible.

Somewhere between your position and the author’s position lies the reality of what’s going on. I used to be in your camp more or less but now not so much.

Time will of course tell.

130 posted on 06/18/2007 8:01:13 AM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available at KnightsForLife.org)
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To: Quix; ConservativeMind; Coleus; All
“alternative news/conspiracy/UFO...”

Quix with all do respect — UFO’s!

Good grief man - now I’m laughing out loud on that as a serious “source”.

Why on earth do these people have to destroy their credibility with UFO crap. Whatever real info they might have on this thread’s topic is going to look worthless if it’s bracketed by aliens (ET type not illegal foreigners) and lochness lizard monster.

Do you have a "Straight" more believable website to reference? Pat Buchanan and World Net Daily is as far out as I need to go to see the problem at hand.

131 posted on 06/18/2007 8:27:09 AM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available at KnightsForLife.org)
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To: cpforlife.org

WND would be a good place to start. I forget a similar site. Maybe there’s one linked to FR . . . let me see.

JUDICIAL WATCH has pried some interesting things into the public forum.

Phyllis Schafley is a good source. Check her site out.

Eagle Forum

Heritage Foundation

I’d check out G Gordon Liddy

Laura Ingraham

. . . there’s some better sites but I don’t think of them off the top of my head.

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In some respects, I don’t really care that much that you have not read the better documentation of the UFO stuff.

And, I don’t know what it all means. But it’s been clear to me since 1964 or 5 that the UFO stuff will be used to help establish the global government. And, at this spring’s Aztec Symposium, I was able to confirm that finally with a retired full bird Col from the Air Force.

He was glowingly positive about it all, the traitorous SOB.

Clearly, the ET’s whatever they are . . . are in cahoots with pure evil toward setting up the global government. The evidence indicates that they are fallen angels referred to in Scripture and in the authentic Book of Enoch.

You evidently have not had a close relative work around UFO’s. I have. Your derision doesn’t begin to scratch the surface of the thousands of pages of evidence I’ve read since 1962.

The UFO part of the picture has been changing dramatically the last year. Some folks are expecting it to break out into the open most any month or within a year or 3.

France has outted it’s massive files and Britain is in the process of doing so. Then the UFO’s themselves have been inreasingly doing interesting things in front of larger groups of people in broad daylight as never before.

So, you might keep a good death grip on that skepticism. It’s days are numbered.

Sometimes I get weary of the fiercely skeptical attitude. Other times I figure it’s just fearful or willful blindness. Other times I wonder if folks aren’t actively in the employ of the evil doers.

Doesn’t really matter that much to me in the end. I must warn. And early alerts are always considered rabidly insane voices crying in the wilderness.

However, If you fail to inform yourself and probably even if you do, the day will come when you recall this exchange with great . . . . emotion and regret—regret that you were not more informed, more alert and more prepared well before this.

I wish it could be otherwise.


132 posted on 06/18/2007 9:13:33 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: cpforlife.org

Clearly the whole entirety of the sinister plan of the Space Dragons has not been revealed to everyone.

Why is there always somebody somewhere who does not get the word?
—JFK


133 posted on 06/18/2007 9:17:00 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Treaty)
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To: RightWhale

You’re probably joking . . .

but if not . . .

What’s your . . . construction on the Draco ‘realities’

???


134 posted on 06/18/2007 9:20:40 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix

It’s quite a construction. Decidedly heterodox.


135 posted on 06/18/2007 9:22:25 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Treaty)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Tinfoil hats huh?

a bit naive to say the least...

136 posted on 06/18/2007 9:22:48 AM PDT by Lloyd227 (and may God bless Oriana Fallaci)
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To: RightWhale

I suppose I should be thankful it wasn’t a one word reply.

Cute.


137 posted on 06/18/2007 9:35:31 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: cpforlife.org

I believe UFO’s are real but they are either a demonic deception or something the government is doing and keeping secret. Anything to keep our minds off of God and off of government intervention in our affairs.


138 posted on 06/18/2007 10:56:55 AM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: Quix

You are a true watchman on the wall that scripture talks about. You must expect cynicism because people just don’t WANT to believe it. I know it’s real. Now it can be demonic deception, or the government keeping track of us secretly. Who knows. Too many people have seen these ‘things,’ whatever they are.


139 posted on 06/18/2007 10:59:47 AM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: Marysecretary

Thanks tons for your encouragement.


140 posted on 06/18/2007 11:16:51 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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