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U.S. Marine Vet Faces Hearing on Discharge Status for Wearing Uniform at Protest
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| May 31, 2007
| Associated Press
Posted on 05/31/2007 7:36:14 AM PDT by Lady J USA 1981
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To: Kenton
He's a reservist.
His daddy is a venture capitalist and owns the horse track in Santa Fe.
And the little bastard goes around telling people the military targets poor people when recruiting. That there's a back door economic draft.
Lying bastard.
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posted on
05/31/2007 8:12:43 AM PDT
by
Doctor Raoul
(What's the difference between the CIA and the Free Clinic? The Free Clinic knows how to stop leaks.)
To: Lady J USA 1981
Iraq Veterans Against The War endorsed the World Truibunal on Iraq which said it was OK, legitmate and justified to US military.
Tim Goodrich of IVAW testified that our military routinely commits war crimes.
IVAW = John Kerry Wannabes = Vietnam Veterans Against The War Re-enactors.
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posted on
05/31/2007 8:16:09 AM PDT
by
Doctor Raoul
(What's the difference between the CIA and the Free Clinic? The Free Clinic knows how to stop leaks.)
To: Doctor Raoul
He's a reservist. Thanks, I just read the posting, not the whole article. So it means that the article is misleading, this guy hasn't been discharged, just separated from active duty.
I wish these media guys would hire some vets so they could get these things right.
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posted on
05/31/2007 8:18:57 AM PDT
by
Kenton
(All vices in moderation. I don't want to overdo any but I don't want to skip any either.)
To: pabianice
two things. 1. if they still have the service tape, ie the “USMC” over the pocket, and, 2. if they are the newer Marine Corps “digicammies,” they have the marine corps logo all over the “cami” pattern, as well as the EGA sewn on the pocket, then they are military issue things. You can dess up like a police officer, but if you do so and wear a real badge on a real issued uniform, removing your nametage and the rank on your collar doesnt cut it.
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posted on
05/31/2007 8:20:52 AM PDT
by
angrymarine
(I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself.)
To: Kenton
as a reservist, he IS subject to the UCMJ (and not just on drill days, in any case that would fall under military jurisdiction.)
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posted on
05/31/2007 8:23:13 AM PDT
by
angrymarine
(I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself.)
To: Lady J USA 1981
It’s complete bull to say some panel can change his discharge from honorable to UOTHC. If he’s discharged, he’s discharged, unless they can show the photo was taken before his discharge was final. Further, anybody facing a discharge under other than honorable conditions is entitled to a hearing before a board of officers. Basic stuff.
Colonel, USAFR
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posted on
05/31/2007 8:26:13 AM PDT
by
jagusafr
(The proof that we are rightly related to God is that we do our best whether we feel inspired or not")
To: USMCWife6869
That being said, If he had no insignia and no name tapes on the cammies, I dont see how they can bust him. Me either. I did see a picture at one point of a Marine reservist in full uniform at a rally...that is a BIG no-no.
To: jagusafr
...and I just saw the reservist info and the two above posts. Indeed, if he’s just gone back to inactive status, he’s subject to the UCMJ whenever he’s performing duty, even inactive duty (during duty hours). He can’t be court-martialed for this kind of stuff if he wasn’t on orders, but can certainly be subject to an unfavorably characterized discharge (general or UOTHC). And oughta.
Colonel, USAFR
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posted on
05/31/2007 8:31:28 AM PDT
by
jagusafr
(The proof that we are rightly related to God is that we do our best whether we feel inspired or not")
To: USMCWife6869
I don’t think we’d be well-served to prosecute this dirtbag. It would just make him seem more important than he really is.
TC
To: Lady J USA 1981
After Kokesh was identified in a photo caption in The Washington Post, a superior officer sent him a letter saying he might have violated a rule prohibiting troops from wearing uniforms without authorization. Kokesh, a member of Iraq Veterans Against the War, responded with an obscenity. Kind of stupid on his part, his answer should have been, "Sorry sir, I didn't realize that, it will not happen again."
To: Lady J USA 1981
Shades of Winter Soldier...
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posted on
05/31/2007 8:45:43 AM PDT
by
bolobaby
To: Doctor Raoul
IVAW = John Kerry Wannabes = Vietnam Veterans Against The War Re-enactors.
Bingo. But I am totally confused here. He is a reservist. Being a reservist, he is not a veteran yet, correct? Since he still has time on his 8-year obligation, he hasn't gotten any discharge status yet, right? Then, his attorney says, "Technically, he is a civilian unless called back up." No, technically he is a reservist still serving out his obligation.
Now did he or didn't he take off the name tag and insignia? Are there pictures of him in uniform with name tag and insignia?
And then he stated that his freedom of speech was being limited. Nope. Just his choice of clothing. Any bets on when we see a "vet" testifying in Congress that our troops are worse than Gengis Khan as it is broadcast on all news channels in continuous loop?
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posted on
05/31/2007 8:52:52 AM PDT
by
Eagle of Liberty
(The United States of America is the only country strong enough to go it alone.)
To: jagusafr
I read in the other article he’s IIR. I don’t see how he can be subject to UCMJ or called into meet with the military.
To: Kenton
Normally, a Vet is in Inactive Reserves until 8 years from date of enlistment, subject to call up, etc..
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posted on
05/31/2007 8:54:55 AM PDT
by
dusttoyou
(FredThompsonBot!!!!!!!)
To: angrymarine
as a reservist, he IS subject to the UCMJ (and not just on drill days, in any case that would fall under military jurisdiction.) Yeah, I know. Dr Raoul was kind enough to point it out to me.
Like I said a few posts ago, the article was misleading; he doesn't have his discharge yet, just his separation papers. So yeah, he's in the reserves whether he's signed up with a reserve unit or not, until he gets his discharge.
And to some degree, that DOES mean he gives up certain aspects of freedom of expression for the time being.
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posted on
05/31/2007 8:56:19 AM PDT
by
Kenton
(All vices in moderation. I don't want to overdo any but I don't want to skip any either.)
To: Lady J USA 1981
Honorable Veterans don’t reply to questions from their superior officers with obscenities. Less than honorable ones do.
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posted on
05/31/2007 8:57:30 AM PDT
by
usmcobra
(I sing Karaoke the way it was meant to be sung, drunk, badly and in Japanese)
To: Lady J USA 1981
A U.S. veteran who served in the Iraq war could lose his honorable discharge status after being photographed wearing fatigues at an anti-war protest.Good. Guess he hasn't figured out that uniform isn't his.
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posted on
05/31/2007 8:58:58 AM PDT
by
MEGoody
(Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
To: dusttoyou
Normally, a Vet is in Inactive Reserves until 8 years from date of enlistment, When I was in it was 7 years, and of course they never mention that part when you sign up.
They save that for the day you get mustered out of active service, those sneaky rascals!
I was REAL happy to hear that after 4 years of active duty, I was supposed to do the "one weekend a month, two weeks a year" thing just like the guys who signed up for the reserves.
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posted on
05/31/2007 9:00:22 AM PDT
by
Kenton
(All vices in moderation. I don't want to overdo any but I don't want to skip any either.)
To: pabianice
A Marine’s uniform is always a Marine Uniform.
Marines use a distinctive Camouflage pattern call MARPAT, Short for Marine Pattern.
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posted on
05/31/2007 9:01:32 AM PDT
by
usmcobra
(I sing Karaoke the way it was meant to be sung, drunk, badly and in Japanese)
To: branstad hawkeye
If he’s individual ready reserve, he still has some sort of reserve commitment and is subject to recall for administrative action, though probably not UCMJ action.
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posted on
05/31/2007 9:04:43 AM PDT
by
jagusafr
(The proof that we are rightly related to God is that we do our best whether we feel inspired or not")
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