[johnpannell]

Seems to me, the presidential media machine was WMD, Axis of Evil, rape rooms, and mass graves. Mullah Abdullah’s wife having the right to representative democracy wasn’t high on the totem. Also remember that Bush ran in 2000 opposing the idea of "nation building". For better or worse, he's now all in favor of that idea.

[Tulsa Ramjet]

“For better or worse, he’s now all in favor of that idea.”

For worse. We don’t have the money. And if other nations around the world aren’t buying into the endeavor, why should we? if a nation gets out of line, we pound them. You feed the entire world for one day, they will be hungry the next. Time for them to feed themselves. We can assist with solutions, but we can’t own the solutions.

[Tulsa Ramjet]

and another thing,
If we truly are in iraq to nation-build, why aren’t we nation-building in Darfur? Sudan? Somalia? We need to get of that hypocritical horse.

If there is no return for national security or wealth, don’t engage in it. Or is this a “feel good” project? There is no bringing democracy to murdering scum. the murdering scum have to be killed off first, or kicked out.