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To: grundle
With zero green house gas emissions, the U.S. government, public utilities and even some environmental groups are taking a second look at nuclear power.

Try building a nuclear plant without emitting carbon. Manufacturing steel requires lots of coal. Cement also requires lots of heat, most of it is supplied by natural gas.

7 posted on 04/22/2007 9:47:24 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Paleo Conservative

Oh bother! The gas emmision is a one time thing. The plant runs for decades.

Besides, ever hear of electric furnaces?


10 posted on 04/22/2007 9:49:14 AM PDT by null and void (To Marines, male bonding happens in Boot Camp, to Democrats, it happens at a Gay Pride parade...)
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To: Paleo Conservative
Try building a nuclear plant without emitting carbon. Manufacturing steel requires lots of coal. Cement also requires lots of heat, most of it is supplied by natural gas.

Could you be any dumber? Of course it requires energy to build one, but that is a one time expenditure of energy, once it is built it is producing cheap non-carbon energy, and if enough of them were built they could replace even the coal used to make steel. Use your head for more than a hat rack, it helps to actually engage the brain before talking.

21 posted on 04/22/2007 10:16:26 AM PDT by calex59
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To: Paleo Conservative
Try building a nuclear plant without emitting carbon. Manufacturing steel requires lots of coal. Cement also requires lots of heat, most of it is supplied by natural gas.

That argument is a lefty red herring. Making steel and concrete for windmills also releases the same amount of carbon. The important measure in energy generation is the ratio of energy out to carbon created during that process.

24 posted on 04/22/2007 10:28:19 AM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: Paleo Conservative; null and void; calex59; BlazingArizona
What you are getting at has a name in engineering. It is called Life-Cycle Emissions. You take into account the energy use at each point in a system, accounting for extraction of raw materials, fabrication of components, site clearing and preparation, construction of facilities, operations and maintenance, and waste disposal. People have done this analysis for various energy sources. Here is a result which might be surprising:

Source: "Life-Cycle Assessment of Electricity Generation Systems and Applications for Climate Change Policy Analysis," Paul J. Meier, University of Wisconsin-Madison, August, 2002.

You can see they have shown the amount of greenhouse gas-equivalent released to the biosphere normalized to unit energy output for the various sources.

As you can see, the "footprint" for nuclear is about the same as for so-called "clean" or "green" or "renewable" energy sources. Nuclear is actually "greener", by this measure, than that darling of the environmental movement, solar PV, and also biomass, so I guess Sheryl Crow will have to park that biodiesel bus in favor of a nuclear-electric one (wouldn't that be sweet revenge?). And this isn't even getting into the meatier issues such as reliability, capacity factor, availability, etc. On those counts, nuclear clobbers all the others.

49 posted on 04/22/2007 4:48:04 PM PDT by chimera
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To: Paleo Conservative
Try building a nuclear plant without emitting carbon. Manufacturing steel requires lots of coal. Cement also requires lots of heat, most of it is supplied by natural gas.

No more or less than a coal fired electrical plant, or a natural gas plant.

52 posted on 04/23/2007 6:46:59 AM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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