Skip to comments.OFFICERS WHINE BY EXAMPLE (British Hostage Behavior)
Posted on 04/07/2007 4:26:42 AM PDT by SkyPilot
April 7, 2007 -- A SOLDIER'S law in the U.S. Army holds: "The maxi mum effective range of an excuse is zero meters." Yesterday, the two officers on a panel of former British hostages delivered nothing but excuses for their disgraceful conduct.
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I heard of that program. It was tough.
The Air Force had another program even tougher than Fairchild. It was reserved for U-2 pilots, RC-135 crews, and SR-71 pilots. I think it was 2 weeks in the "camp" and just a nightmare.
Check this one out by MSNBC military analyst Jack Jacobs. It's pretty scathing:
I am not familiar with the British equivalent, but I am very sure that in the weeks and months to come, we are going to read about some of these British servicemen having problems. As the the reality of how they acted sinks in, they will become increasingly angry and shamed. I will not be surprised if I read about divorces, alcoholism, or other problems.
The Code of Conduct is there to protect and guide American servicemen. I remember interviewing Gen Latham years ago. He was in the Hanoi Hilton for several months. He was a late war shoot down while flying the "Fast FAC" F-4. He later on became a 2 time Thunderbird.
He told me when he got to his cell, he was passed a note in his food. It was written on the back of a chewing gum foil piece - very small writing. On it, it said:
"There are 110 POWs immediately west of you in this building. Your Commanding Officer is XXXX. You will follow his orders and back him up."
Below that, was a copy of the "Tap Code" and also a copy of the Code of Conduct. In addition, they gave him an additional duty - Deputy Officer in Charge of Morale!
These POWs were an amazing group of men.
That was a scathing article by Col Jacobs - a man who earned the Medal of Honor, 2 Silver Stars, and several Bronze Stars.
When your major partner in the WAR ON TERROR carries on like this...makes you truly believe we are on our own.
LOL @ the nuggies.
Thank you for that great post, norton.
She's pregnant? I didn't know that. I've tried googling that info, but come up with a blank. Do you have a source?
Those 15 Brits were TESTED.......sadly, they FAILED!!
Man, if that isn’t the truth! What a complete disgrace he was and so few Americans have been in the military, they couldn’t understand why there were people who were mortified by his lack of action.
I understand that the Royal Navy is going to be just half its present size in a few weeks time. Perhaps these troops felt they had nothing to be loyal to.
Their conduct is such an aberration of what we would like to remember from previous times.
I wish I could agree with you, but I can’t. Statistically, it is a handful of servicemen/women out of thousands that serve in the military!!!
Lets put this in context:
Those sailors and marines were told not to resist before they were even deployed.
One of the RN chiefs stated that “they (the sailors/marines) did exactly what they were asked to do”. What were they asked to do??????
Finally, it just came out that the RN ships that apparently just stood by, were under the command of a USN admiral, so the chain of command would have been directly to him.
I can understand that to someone that may not have ever served in the military, the actions of a group of people whose number you could count on both hands, could call into question the ability of that countries military, but that really isn’t the case. The basic training of the British infantry and marines is still the most gruelling among western forces. Every British soldier is a trained rifleman from the pay clerks, cooks and medics through to the infantryman, unlike the US army, but I think the most telling is the fact that British soldiers and Marines are out there dying in Iraq and Afghanistan just the same as US soldiers are. I know, I lost an old mate in Afghanistan in March.
Why don’t you go and take a look at what British forces are capable of first, operations like Operation Barras, nimrod, the battles of goose green and tumbledown, the operation last year where 2 SAS fellas apparently ‘surrendered’ to terrorist elements in the Iraqi police in much the same manner, leaving people confused as to why 2 soldiers from a special forces regiment would ‘surrender’ in a situation that they could’ve easily shot their way out of. In that operation, the SAS fellas were passed through the terrorist network, when the Brit commanders thought they were about to reach the point of ‘no-return’ i.e. execution time for the SAS men, terrorist doors were broken down and the police/terrorist network was culled overnight, and the 2 SAS men were brought in, the Brit commanders knew exactly where they were!
So, no, I wouldn’t say that the latest stageshow is a fair sample of Britains military.........
“Just one more argument against women in combat rolls.”
Troops classed as ‘prone to capture’ still get resistance to interrogation (ROI) training.............
“She’s pregnant? I didn’t know that. I’ve tried googling that info, but come up with a blank. Do you have a source?”
Nothing specific; I heard a couple of different commentators mention that she was going to have another child (she already had a little girl named Molly). And the Iranian government scolded the Brits at one point for allowing a pregnant woman to serve in the military.
She looked really plump in the photo - I thought she was just overweight. But now that you mention, she does look pregnant.
I am a bit perplexed that a similar kidnapping incident occurred with the Brits in June of 2004, yet they took no steps to prevent it from happening again. Not to mention the fact that Iran had been claiming they were going to kidnap U.S. soldiers in the past weeks. Did the Brits think they wouldn't be included in those threats, especially in light of the fact that some of their own had already been taken hostage less than two years before? The first time, fourteen Sailors & Marines were taken and held for three days. They were apparently tormented during all that time. Same M.O., same type of circumstances with Iran claiming they had entered Iranian waters. One would have thought that the British Navy would have vowed that something like that would never happen again. They should have been embarrassed then; they should be humiliated now.
That’s Navy Lt. Carmon? center right of the picture with the light grey suit on.
How alarming that he seems to have the biggest smile on and most flamboyant wave. Pathetic. I wouldn’t let him lead a canoe trip down 3 miles of the Potomac.
[And if you are a Christian, HAPPY EASTER!]
“But you have to admit, their being accorded hero status for no other reason than we are slim on heros, is not good military practice and can be counter productive.”
They haven’t been accorded hero status in the UK, on the contrary.....
And that is as it should be.
Their case will shake out and soon we will know everything.
No doubt, when they were instructed to stand down and not engage, they must have gone through some confusion.
My chief bone to pick, on this thread, is that “hero” status has been accorded to a commander who willingly gave our enemy state secrets. And then got a medal for it.
I am extremely frustrated with the state of our feminized military.
And neither are the British armed forces,mate.
These 15(and not all 15 behaved like cowards) dont epitomise the RN or the British armed forces anymore than the idiots at Abu Ghraib epitomise yours...
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