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To: freedom44

Very interesting article. If it reveals a few twists the west has turned into our view of history, it also may suggest that freedom is much more culturally unique than Americans would like to believe -- and may possibly even be quite exclusive. Perhaps we should avoid trying to liberate the world and concentrate on defending what is already liberated.


6 posted on 03/18/2007 9:41:57 AM PDT by James W. Fannin
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To: James W. Fannin
it also may suggest that freedom is much more culturally unique than Americans would like to believe

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I shall carry it with me to my grave, as a strong incitement to unceasing vows that Heaven may continue to you the choicest tokens of its beneficence; that your Union and brother affection may be perpetual; that the free Constitution, which is the work of your hands, may be sacredly maintained; that its Administration in every department may be stamped with Wisdom and Virtue; that, in fine, the happiness of the people of these States, under the auspices of liberty, may be complete by so careful and preservative and so prudent a use of this blessing as will acquire to them the glory of recommeding it to the applause, the affection, the adoption of every nation which is yet a stranger to it.

George Washington's Resignation Address:

14 posted on 03/18/2007 9:56:53 AM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: James W. Fannin
Perhaps the best book I've read on this subject was titled From Plato to NATO. In it the author portrayed the Western concepts of liberty as not deriving from the Greek, but from a confluence of Roman Republicanism and Germanic tribal concepts of the freedom of the individual. Athenian Democracy is described for what it was, rule of the majority, and as Socrates could have told us, rule of the majority without liberty is destructive.

Yet the author here praises the Persians a tad too much. Their rule was despotic, and while Cyrus and his heirs could have been benevolent despots, any despotic rule is far more open to tyranny than that of a democratic city state. Persia trumped Greece in wealth, sophisitication, and size and power, but as Steven Pressfield says, through the voice of Dianekes in Gates of Fire,"You have never tasted freedom, else you would know. It is purchased, not with gold, but with steel." That is the lesson of Leonidas and the 300.

17 posted on 03/18/2007 10:00:42 AM PDT by xkaydet65
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