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To: Elsie; doc30

Elsi,

doc is using an old strawman argument that clearly original documents are required to prove inspiration, which is not the case at all.

You may be interested in the work of Dr. Ivan Panin. (easy google)

He did research on numerical patterns in the Biblical text and made discoveries that point to a single set of texts as the inspired basis for the Old and New Testaments.

Those texts would be the Received Hebrew Text and the Westcott and Hort text. They are the basis of the KJV version, which is the only 'modern' version to use these texts. The rest all use Alexandrian or other versions of the text and do not display the same beautiful patterns discovered by Dr. Ivan Panin.

This is the foundation of the KJV-only position and, while I do not agree that only the KJV translation can be used, I do agree that only the Received Hebrew Text and the Wetcott and Hort texts should be used as the single source of the inspired text.

doc makes the claim that it is impossible for God to communicate his Word uncorrupted. Of course, that merely denies the omnipotence of God, but what else is new?

I think that God has provided clear evidence of the inspired text through Dr Panin's work, but I also recognize that there will never be sufficient proof for those who are determined to undermine the authority of the Scriptures. Heb 11:6 tell us as much.


277 posted on 03/15/2007 2:57:11 PM PDT by GourmetDan
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To: GourmetDan

> Those texts would be the Received Hebrew Text and the
> Westcott and Hort text. They are the basis of the KJV
> version

The number of things you feel free to spout off about that you have absolutely NO understanding of is breathtakingly large.

Interesting aside, the only texts of Revelations that Erasmus had were incomplete. He made his Chapter 22 by translating the Latin manuscripts he had back into Greek. Thus the last chapter of Revelations in the King James Bible agrees with NO, NOT A SINGLE ONE, of the existing Greek manuscripts.


279 posted on 03/15/2007 3:09:54 PM PDT by voltaires_zit (Government is the problem, not the answer.)
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To: GourmetDan

Go to page 12 on this link and you will find a refutation of the work of Ivan Panin.

http://www.skeptics.com.au/journal/2003/3.pdf

Or, I can paraphrase it for you:

You can find codes of this kind in any book, from the Constitution of Australia (one of the works used in the article) to The Lord of The Rings. Was JRR Tolkein as divinely inspired as the authors of the Bible?


293 posted on 03/15/2007 8:22:36 PM PDT by 49th (This space for rent.)
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To: GourmetDan
doc is using an old strawman argument that clearly original documents are required to prove inspiration, which is not the case at all.

If the 9/11 terrorist had managed to blow up the building that contains the ORIGINAL Declaration of Independance and the Constitution, think of the heyday the Liberals would have in the future claiming...

There ARE no originals, therefore this Country can be changed radically!


299 posted on 03/16/2007 4:58:43 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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