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What is wrong with intelligent design?
EurekAlert! ^ | 22-Feb-2007 | Suzanne Wu

Posted on 02/22/2007 6:22:34 PM PST by Boxen

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That's just a press release.

Here's the full-text of the article in question, "What is Wrong with Intelligent Design" by Elliot Sober, graciously hosted by the University of Wisconsin.
1 posted on 02/22/2007 6:22:39 PM PST by Boxen
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To: Boxen

As I'm sure PH would remark, let's try to keep it civil.


2 posted on 02/22/2007 6:23:44 PM PST by Boxen (Branigan's law is like Branigan's love--Hard and fast.)
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To: Boxen

Everybody be nice! : )


3 posted on 02/22/2007 6:24:40 PM PST by WestVirginiaRebel (A liberal is a man too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel-Robert Frost)
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To: Boxen

Bump for later...


4 posted on 02/22/2007 6:28:16 PM PST by Sopater (Creatio Ex Nihilo)
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Bump for later...

Me too.

5 posted on 02/22/2007 6:33:06 PM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Boxen

Thanks, Boxen.

This is a useful analysis, though it could just as well be titled "What's wrong with biological origins theories". One can forgive the author for the title and the emphasis, given the dominance of the religious consensus that governs biological origins theory today, and thus determines what makes it through the gauntlet of "peer review" into print.

What would make the discussion more interesting is if the evolutionist proponents could see themselves, and their "just so" stories about origins, in this analysis. I'm not waiting around for that, however. There are more productive ways to invest time.


6 posted on 02/22/2007 6:40:22 PM PST by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
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To: Boxen
An evolutionist is somebody who could open the hood of a car, look at the engine, and say to himself:

"Gee, isn't that a hell of a thing for all that aluminum, steel, porcelain and rubber and what not to have gotten blown into something that looks like that!!"

8 posted on 02/22/2007 6:42:05 PM PST by rickdylan
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To: Boxen

Evolution happens.


9 posted on 02/22/2007 6:42:45 PM PST by ExtremeUnction
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To: Boxen
>"If a truly intelligent designer were responsible for the panda, Gould argues, it would have provided a more useful tool than the stubby proto-thumb that pandas use to laboriously strip bamboo in order to eat it."

Well what has god like genius Gould created?.....
Thought so!

10 posted on 02/22/2007 6:43:51 PM PST by rawcatslyentist ("The liberty we prize is not America’s gift to the world, it is God’s gift to humanity.”GWB-03)
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"What is wrong with intelligent design?"
Well. for the beginning the fact that its proponents seem to have been designed in a way that cannot be called particularly intelligent.
11 posted on 02/22/2007 6:45:16 PM PST by GSlob
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"intelligent design: that it is unfalsifiable and that the many imperfect adaptations found in nature refute the hypothesis of intelligent design."

Good analysis. The problem is that both of these arguments are contradictory - something the article does not make as clear as it should.

It is inevitable that this debate enters the realm of the philosophy of science because it is not merely about what is correct or incorrect but what qualifies to be called "science".

One of the biggest philosophical problems introduced by evolution proponents is how the ToE is treated as an explanatory theory rather than a generalized theory.

Closer examination of these concepts leads to the realization that pure naturalism does not lend itself well to the formation of concepts with explanatory power. Everything just is because it is, for those who see the universe through this lens.
12 posted on 02/22/2007 6:45:32 PM PST by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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To: Boxen

Does "ID" really compete with the Theory of Evolution?

Or does it more properly compete with other much less well developed "origins" theories like abiogenesis and panspermia?


13 posted on 02/22/2007 6:46:20 PM PST by voltaires_zit
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To: Boxen; editor-surveyor
Intelligent Design can be used for a lot of things--even Macroevolution guided by God (as some Christian opine). Christians should be Creationists. Intelligent Design is a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge umbrella term.
14 posted on 02/22/2007 6:47:18 PM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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The problem with intelligent design is that it posits a designer...and if there is a designer that powerful then we may not be the masters of our own destiny...this designer may expect something from us...and that is unacceptable to many of us.


15 posted on 02/22/2007 6:49:48 PM PST by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: Boxen

A third and valid criticism is that Intelligent Design has no empirical data to support it.


16 posted on 02/22/2007 6:50:22 PM PST by Rudder
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To: Boxen

Thanks for posting.


17 posted on 02/22/2007 6:51:50 PM PST by aculeus
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To: Boxen

As an intelligent design person myself there is thing I've never been able to explain.

Al Gore.

Seems to contradict the whole thing ;-)


18 posted on 02/22/2007 6:52:01 PM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: Boxen

God knows!! :-)


19 posted on 02/22/2007 6:53:23 PM PST by pillut48 (CJ in TX (Bible Thumper and Proud!))
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To: Boxen
Please, allow me to be the first.

Thank you. I've never had this opportunity before.

20 posted on 02/22/2007 6:55:39 PM PST by HoosierHawk
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