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Still Waiting
Dakota Voice ^ | 1/29/2007 | Carrie K. Hutchens

Posted on 02/02/2007 3:49:53 AM PST by 8mmMauser

I don't know about anyone else, but I am still waiting for Michael Schiavo to make a correction on his blog about what "actually" took place in Colorado when he went there (to the debate) to supposedly ask Congresswoman Musgrave one question and she and her staff supposedly tried to have him removed. He called it, "My unreal night in Colorado - with radio link" (Thu Oct 26, 2006 at 08:05:14 PM PST). I'll say (from what I read) that it was his "unreal night".

As I said before in "Standing up and Admitting a Mistake: Not Schiavo's Style?",  if four uniformed officers were around my seat, I would have some idea of what was going on. I certainly wouldn't be sitting in "duh mode" to only be told later of what took place right there around me, as Michael suggests he was. If Michael's account is realistic -- his response and reaction is not. Nor is his response appropriate now that he has "learned" what he was "allegedly told" is not what took place. One would think if he can't get the words out that he was mistaken, he could at least have removed the inaccurate entry from his blog.

He has done neither.

I'm also still waiting to read about, "Also, maybe tomorrow I'll post about my election-eve rally with Bill Clinton in Florida." (A real election impact by Michael Schiavo, Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 10:40:34 AM PST).  Indeed, I would love to read that story by Michael, since I read it was not possible. Not if he was implying it was the Bill Clinton that is the former President of the United States. Will be interesting to see what he says about that if he ever does.

If Michael couldn't get it straight what happened at the Musgrave debate or even if he spent election-eve with former President Bill Clinton -- do you suppose he might have gotten Terri Schiavo's wishes mixed-up as well? (He does claim to have a bad memory from what I read.) Makes one wonder. At least makes me wonder. Whatever...

I'm still waiting for the corrections if not the explanations!

 

Carrie Hutchens is a former law enforcement officer and a freelance writer who is active in fighting against the death culture movement and the injustices within the judicial and law enforcement systems.


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To: wagglebee
>> When you've already decided what the results "need" to be, it's a whole lot easier to "find" things that support your pre-determined conclusion.

Last night I watched the video of Ronald Cranford examining Terri (for the umpteenth time). It is astonishing how well she responded to Cranford and passed the test. Usually she wasn't nearly as responsive to strangers as she was to family and friends. I do believe the old bleeper really liked Terri, too. He spoke to her fondly, complimented her, affirmed that she had enough vision to track a nearby object.

We needn't be surprised that he said just the opposite about her in court. He was paid to kill her, after all. Even at Murder, Inc. you must earn your fee.

1,161 posted on 03/30/2007 5:39:22 AM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: the good news is, lots of people have agreed with you. The bad news is, they were Nazis.)
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To: wagglebee
>> Except that I don't think he actually wrote it.

That is correct. Michael Hirsch wrote it, but Schiavo had to feed in the material and has his name on it.

>> He can always say, "the ghostwriter must have misunderstood me" to shield himself from the truth.

As a sometime ghost writer, let me assure you that the putative author approves every last word before the book goes to the printer. There is no wiggling out afterward. Besides, if he tried, Hirsch could fire back and he's a lot brighter than Michael Schiavo. In fact, Hirsch probably knows or suspects enough by now to undo Michael Schiavo, if they get to feuding. That would be one for the ages!

1,162 posted on 03/30/2007 5:47:57 AM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: the good news is, lots of people have agreed with you. The bad news is, they were Nazis.)
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To: wagglebee
>> There are a few pro-life hospices, but they are certainly the exception to the rule.

Interesting. Never heard that, but it makes sense.

1,163 posted on 03/30/2007 5:49:53 AM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: the good news is, lots of people have agreed with you. The bad news is, they were Nazis.)
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To: T'wit

Of course Michael Schiavo DOES NOT UNDERSTAND that Hirsch is so much more intelligent that he is. In the end, if ANYTHING is Michael's undoing, it will be his hubris.


1,164 posted on 03/30/2007 5:51:05 AM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: 8mmMauser
>> It is Labyak's hospice, Hospice of the Florida Suncoast, which has actively participated in accepting a non-terminal patient, Terri Schiavo, into the hospice, for the express purpose of euthanizing the 'unworthy of life' victim, Terri Schiavo.

Labyak is yet another of the killers who showed up at Art Caplan's Zombie-Rama & Snuff-fest at UPenn. Others there to celebrate the murder of Terri Schindler Schiavo were Dr. Ron "Humane Death" Cranford, "guardian ad litem" Jay Wolfson, Judge Greer himself and keynote speaker -- Michael Schiavo!

1,165 posted on 03/30/2007 5:58:49 AM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: the good news is, lots of people have agreed with you. The bad news is, they were Nazis.)
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To: wagglebee
Yes. We've been talking about the house of cards coming down. I think you've brought up a new weakness here, in Hirsch's role. Hirsch's own hubris was letting himself be carried away by his ideology and thus ignoring the truth before his eyes. He came as a pilgrim, so to speak. But that kind of starry-eyed naivete is always open to disillusion. The man might well blow sky high when he figures out that he was suckered.

If it ever comes to Hirsch's word vs. Schiavo's, Hirch's reputation vs. Schiavo's, I have my money on Hirsch and I want a ringside seat :-)

Yoo-hoo, Michael Hirsch: the coroner ruled out Michael's only alibi for Terri's so-called collapse. Think about that and take my little one-question quiz: How did a young, healthy Terri Schiavo, asleep in bed, suddenly end up face down on the hallway floor, dying, with extensive internal injuries and in cardiac arrest, right after her husband got home late one Saturday night?

If you can't answer that, Mr. Hirsch, you know you ARE the sucker.

1,166 posted on 03/30/2007 6:12:54 AM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: the good news is, lots of people have agreed with you. The bad news is, they were Nazis.)
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To: 8mmMauser

Bobby is now the voice of the anti-euthanasia movement in America.

"Dehydration Death of a Nation," is a powerful indictment
of the evil in our land!


1,167 posted on 03/30/2007 6:19:26 AM PDT by Lesforlife ("For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb . . ." Psalm 139:13!!!!!)
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To: T'wit
How did a young, healthy Terri Schiavo, asleep in bed, suddenly end up face down on the hallway floor, dying, with extensive internal injuries and in cardiac arrest, right after her husband got home late one Saturday night?

The same way Laci Peterson wound up dead in the San Francisco Bay, she was duped by a smooth-talking, psychotic sociopath. And if Jodi Centonze/Schiavo had a bit of sense, she would take her children and run.

1,168 posted on 03/30/2007 6:25:56 AM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: T'wit

Would that be the 'late,' Dr. Ron Cranford?


1,169 posted on 03/30/2007 6:32:36 AM PDT by Lesforlife ("For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb . . ." Psalm 139:13!!!!!)
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To: Lesforlife
>> Would that be the 'late,' Dr. Ron Cranford?

The very one. No whisper anywhere that he changed his mind about things or repented his murderous career. May God give him mercy rather than justice.

1,170 posted on 03/30/2007 6:39:10 AM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: the good news is, lots of people have agreed with you. The bad news is, they were Nazis.)
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To: T'wit; Lesforlife

I just checked. He is still very dead, having met his chance finally to be in union with his life's work, so to speak. What a strange irony he must have faced, but yes, we are not the judges and can always hope he repented and found mercy even at the last moments.

That does not change the harm he had perpetuated.


1,171 posted on 03/30/2007 6:48:43 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser
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God Bless the Terri's family and may she rest in the embrace of His love.

1,172 posted on 03/30/2007 7:11:18 AM PDT by vox_freedom (John 16:2 yea, the hour come, that whosoever killeth you, will think that he doth a service to God)
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To: 8mmMauser; Lesforlife
>> He is still very dead, having met his chance finally to be in union with his life's work, so to speak

As I understand it, Dr. Ron was merely a death salesman. He didn't invent death. He didn't even test the product before he signed on in the sales department. My guess is, his boss will kick him downstairs. My other guess is, he won't like it as much as he thought.

1,173 posted on 03/30/2007 7:58:10 AM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: the good news is, lots of people have agreed with you. The bad news is, they were Nazis.)
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To: T'wit

It was beyond disgusting how some people here mocked Terri. I recall vile and sadistic comments that I hope were eventually removed by the moderator. Only sociopaths and the seriously mentally ill could have made some of those I recall.


1,174 posted on 03/30/2007 11:58:57 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: Dante3
This website, this nation, and the entire world watched, and all witnessed the government approved, legal court ordered and implemented, inhumane and pain filled execution via intentional starvation and dehydration, execution of a physically helpless disabled woman who was never even accused, much less convicted in any court of law, of having committed any crime.
Only a "God" could possibly find reasons to grant forgiveness to those who lusted for the death of this woman.
I am not a god, and I will never forgive, nor forget.
1,175 posted on 03/30/2007 5:40:25 PM PDT by sarasmom
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To: All

We will never forget.

Terri, please pray to God that this does not happen again to another human being.


1,176 posted on 03/30/2007 6:06:52 PM PDT by Sun (Vote for Duncan Hunter in the primaries. See you there.)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; angelwings49; ...
Two years ago today, a murder was consummated.

World Net Daily Exclusive

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A priest who was with Terri Schiavo during her final hours in this life says society has it all wrong – because it does not understand the difference between a futile treatment and a futile life.

Today is the second anniversary of the death of the disabled 41-year-old Florida woman, and Father Frank Pavone, of Priests for Life, shared some thoughts with WND to mark the second year since Terri died.

"As you know, I was deeply involved in the Terri Schiavo case and with her in her final hours and moments. What was clear in this case was that even healthy people, if brain-injured are in danger in our current system of laws," he said.

"Terry left no indication that she wanted to be deprived of food and water. Yet the courts insisted that this happen. Nor was Terri lacking a family ready to care for her, without complaint. Yet they were not allowed to," he said.


Terri Schiavo

Terri died March 31, 2005, after the U.S. federal court system ordered that doctors could follow instructions from her husband, who was living with another woman, and withhold food and water from her.

The result was that she literally died of dehydration.

"Many people fear that they will be given all kinds of machines and medicines against their will," Fr. Pavone told WND. "What they should fear is exactly the opposite, namely, that even when they indicate that they want appropriate treatments, these will be denied them.

"Laws vary from state to state," he said, "but one of the most dangerous flaws in the law is that which considers food and water to be 'medical treatment' rather than ordinary human care. When we return from a meal, we don't say that we just 'returned from our latest medical treatment.'"

Fr. Pavone, who is national director of Priests for Life, and president of the National Pro-Life Religious Council, continued:

"We also see, in policy and practice, a confusion between 'futile treatment' and 'futile life.' If a person is not able to communicate or interact with others, many consider treatments which would keep that person alive to be 'futile,' not because the treatment would be ineffective at preserving life, but because they don't see a purpose to that life," he said.

"Certainly there is such a thing as a worthless treatment. But there is no such thing as a worthless life," he said.

Fr. Pavone was a familiar figure as life advocates and members of her family battled for Terri's life in those last few months and weeks as her husband sought court permission to order her physicians to withhold the basic needs of life – food and water.

He described her final hours as "an agony unlike anything I have ever seen" and has not changed his characterization of her death as murder. He preached at her funeral Mass and is preaching at her second anniversary memorial Mass.

In his website, he noted that he recently had the privilege of blessing Terri's grave.

"Those who visit the gravestone … will notice something highly unusual. While on most graves there is an inscription of two dates – when the person was born and when he or she died – on Terri's there are three."

Her gravestone, he said, lists: "Born December 3, 1963" and then "Departed this Earth February 25, 1990."

Finally, it concludes: "At Peace March 31, 2005"

"The whole world knows that she died on March 31, 2005. National and global media were present at the scene for days, covering every detail. Media were present again when I preached at her funeral mass. We know when she died. But her gravestone has become a pulpit for the euthanasia movement," he said.

"Those who killed her are now using her grave as a platform for their twisted ideology. What they are trying to say is that once her brain was injured in 1990 and she was no longer functioning like most of us, she wasn't one of us anymore. She 'departed this earth.'"

"This is actually a variation on an ancient heresy, which says that we are really spirits inhabiting a body. Terri couldn't communicate normally. So, her 'spirit' must have left her. The body was just a shell left behind. Those who believe she really 'departed this earth' in 1990 can therefore pretend it was OK to kill her in 2005. After all, it wasn't really her. She was already gone," he said.

He said Christianity teaches a unity of body and soul and further, the gravestone is an insult to those who are disabled and to those who love and care for them.

"Should they be considered already dead, too? Are we just wasting our time caring for them. Euthanasia advocates would have us think so," he said.

"As I blessed Terri's grave, I also prayed that God's people would be kept safe from this falsehood. And I recalled being in Terri's room the day she died. I remembered her face, dehydrated from not having had a drop of water in two weeks. I recalled seeing the flowers, inches away, on her night table. They were immersed in water. And as I left the grave, I gave a final glance to the vase of flowers that was standing by the stone," he said.

Pavone also noted that people who worry about a "right to die" needn't.

"Don't worry – you won't miss out on it," he wrote.

"A right is a moral claim. We do not have a claim on death; rather, death has a claim on us! Some see the 'right to die' as parallel to the 'right to life.' In fact, however, they are opposite. The 'right to life' is based on the fact that life is a gift that we do not possess as a piece of property … but rather is an inviolable right. It cannot be taken away by another or by the person him/herself. The 'right to die' is based, rather, on the idea of life as a 'thing we possess' and may discard when it no longer meets our satisfaction. The 'right to die' philosophy says there is such a thing as a 'life not worth living.' For a Christian, however, life is worthy in and of itself, and not because it meets certain criteria that others or we might set."

On his website, he elaborated: "In the case of a person who is not dying but whose physical or mental functioning is impaired, the question often arises as to whether we should 'keep them alive' by feeding them," he wrote. "But there is no more of a doubt about keeping that person alive than about keeping alive anyone else who is not impaired! There is no underlying cause of death in this case. To fail to feed such a person is to introduce a new cause of death, namely, starvation."

He also suggested that as soon as there is the "right" to voluntary euthanasia, "you automatically and immediately introduced non-voluntary euthanasia, that is, killing people without their having asked for it."

"The reason is simple: A person should not be deprived of a 'right' simply because they are not able to ask for it. This is especially easy to understand when the 'right' is freedom from suffering. Why should someone suffer just because he cannot vocalize his desire to die?"

"This also leads to involuntary euthanasia, the killing of people although they want to live. The reasoning that leads to this conclusion is that the patient is not in a position to properly evaluate what is best for him/her in the circumstances – so we will step in and do what is best," he wrote.

REMEMBERING TERRI... 'No such thing as a worthless life'... Priest who was with Schiavo says society has it all wrong

8mm

"We will not be silent. We are your bad conscience. The White Rose will give you no rest."


1,177 posted on 03/31/2007 2:44:10 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
Daniel Kirkwood

On this anniversary one more life of an innocent falls under the execution ax of the government.

He is safe temporarily, that is all.

..........................

More than two years after the nation was riveted by the debate over Terri Schiavo and her husband's decision to have her feeding tubes removed, Kentucky courts are now dealing with a similar debate involving a 3-year-old boy in a vegetative state.

At issue is whether the decision to remove the child from life support falls to the state, which currently has custody of the child, or the boy's mother, who court documents say abused him, inflicting injuries that are responsible for his current state.

The Court of Appeals on Friday sent the case back to where it began - Warren County Family Court in Bowling Green - at least temporarily allowing the boy to remain on life support.

The dispute began when the family court signed an order permitting the Kentucky Cabinet For Health and Family Services to terminate the life of Daniel Kirkwood

Child's life support at stake

8mm

1,178 posted on 03/31/2007 2:56:09 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; wagglebee
Thread by wagglebee on two years ago, yesterday...

St. Petersburg, FL (LifeNews.com) -- Terri Schiavo's family will never forget the next to last day of her life two years ago. It started with a Supreme Court ruling and a judgment by a federal appeals court, and ended with the knowledge that their daughter wanted to live.

The U.S. Supreme Court, on that Wednesday, issued a decision allowing Terri Schiavo's painful starvation death. It wound up being the last legal decision in the long battle between Bob and Mary Schindler and Terri's former husband Michael.

The once-sentence ruling was issued just hours after the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals again voted 10-2 not to get involved in the case and reviewing a decision by a local judge to have Michael kill Terri.

The Supreme Court offered no explanation for turning back the latest request and provided no vote tally of members to determine if any wanted to take the case.

Terri Schiavo's Next to Last Day: A Look Back, "I Want to Live"

8mm

1,179 posted on 03/31/2007 3:04:45 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; wagglebee
It should come as no surprise that the above thread has already attracted familiar resident trolls armed with the same effete arguments thay used from the beginning. That this anniversary is so agitating to them is telling in itself.

We may even take cheer in the realization that we irritate the dark side that much.

We persevere.

"We will not be silent. We are your bad conscience. The White Rose will give you no rest."

8mm

1,180 posted on 03/31/2007 3:20:32 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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