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Maine: Support for cigarette tax goes up in smoke
Maine Today.com ^ | January 24, 2007

Posted on 01/25/2007 2:35:39 AM PST by SheLion

AUGUSTA - The top two leaders of the Maine Legislature told reporters on Wednesday that Gov. John Baldacci's proposal to raise the cigarette tax by $1 a pack has failed to win enough support to pass.

The comments by House Speaker Glenn Cummings and Senate President Beth Edmonds were an early jolt for the governor, who unveiled his budget blueprint for fiscal 2008 and 2009 less than three weeks ago.

A spokesman for Baldacci said the governor would not be making a public response.

Committee deliberations on the two-year spending package containing the proposed increase have not yet begun. Edmonds and Cummings, who offered their warning at an informal and wide-ranging media session, did not rule out the possibility of legislative approval of a smaller hike.

Gov John Baldacci (D) Maine


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Another dollar increase would have taxed one pack of cigarettes $3.00.

People in Maine are very happy this is not going to pass.  Maine smokers would like to enjoy a legal product without carrying the weight of the state budget on their shoulders!

I am very happy.

1 posted on 01/25/2007 2:35:47 AM PST by SheLion
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2 posted on 01/25/2007 2:36:26 AM PST by SheLion (When you're right, take up the fight!!!!!)
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I bet the ones who live near NH are happier. They can come here and buy their nasty things much cheaper, even without the big increase. Of course our dimlycrat gubbernor wants to get on the cigarette tax increase bandwagon so he and our new dimlycrat majority legislature will probably kill the goose. I fully expect it to happen.


3 posted on 01/25/2007 2:46:16 AM PST by Past Your Eyes (Some people are too stupid to be ashamed.)
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To: Past Your Eyes; SheLion

Expect the Dims to change the state slogan to, "Live free or don't."


4 posted on 01/25/2007 2:52:21 AM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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Gee, this cut into our economy here in NH. We were looking for an increase in business. But the libs in ME will get their folks another way with tax increases.
5 posted on 01/25/2007 2:52:56 AM PST by tiger-one (The night has a thousand eyes)
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If they'd actually cut taxes elswhere, I wouldn't be opposed to this.

Cigarettes end up costing society somewhere between $5-7 per pack. Nasty little habit, and more addictive than cocaine. It still amuses me that people who use dip are considered the unsophisticated ones... *rolls eyes* Not that either is a great habit.


6 posted on 01/25/2007 2:55:50 AM PST by CheyennePress
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Cigarettes end up costing society somewhere between $5-7 per pack.

Just repeating an assertion or do you have a link?

Not even considering the fact that the whole hoo-ha about "societal costs" usually comes from members of the socialist hive and implies that the individual is owned by the hive.

7 posted on 01/25/2007 3:12:14 AM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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"Cigarettes end up costing society somewhere between $5-7 per pack"

What's the cost to society of fast-food-fatasses? (or don't Smoke-Nazi's keep that statistic?)

8 posted on 01/25/2007 3:21:43 AM PST by traditional1
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To: SheLion

Our new Democrat majority house and senate and related allies in Iowa are licking their chops in anticipation of the Governors' stated goal of raising the ciggie tax by a dollar per pack, it seems to be the "answer" to so many problems. We've heard this same song and dance many times before. Revenues will "go to health care", health care for the poor, education, you name it. The lead story was an interview with a college student government representative who felt that the proposed increase was a good idea because college tuition has increased dramatically.


9 posted on 01/25/2007 3:21:43 AM PST by Freedom4US (u)
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"Not even considering the fact that the whole hoo-ha about "societal costs" usually comes from members of the socialist hive and implies that the individual is owned by the hive.

Very perceptive, but unfortunately not one in a thousand understands this. Those who clamor for "free" health care, among other things, either have no clue, or are complete fascists - since he who pays the bills calls the shots.
10 posted on 01/25/2007 3:32:23 AM PST by Freedom4US (u)
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What's the cost to society of fast-food-fatasses? (or don't Smoke-Nazi's keep that statistic?)

Ah c'mon. If you did that... the heart disease, diabetes and GI disorder statistics would have to be monitored. Too involved. It's easier to concentrate on one small sector of society at a time....when you're trying to aid and abet the communists with turning us into a socialist nation. /s

11 posted on 01/25/2007 4:33:19 AM PST by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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"Cigarettes end up costing society somewhere between $5-7 per pack."
To all,
Remember, 85.7% of all statistics you read on the internet are made up on the spot.
.........Bob
 
 

12 posted on 01/25/2007 4:36:17 AM PST by Lokibob (Greatest snow on earth. www.utahweatherlinks.com)
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Cigarettes end up costing society somewhere between $5-7 per pack.

Even if we took that to be true at face value, what is the baseline cost? Everyone dies of something. If I take the high end $7 and consider a 40 year pack-a-day smoker, that means their societal cost is about $102K. Well, what is the end cost for a heart attack? broken hip? $50k? $75k? $100k? In other words, what is the average cost for an individual's terminal medical care? Then divide that by bowls of corn flakes per day and get a dollar figure. Compare it to your $5 - $7 figure. Then consider those smokers contributed a few bucks per pack while the cornflake eater contributed nothing.

For that matter, longevity has a societal cost. Smokers might actually save society money by dying more than a decade early when you consider everything. That cornflake eater will feed at the gubermint trough a lot longer. Figure in that cost and you will see this numbers game is just a circular exercise.

13 posted on 01/25/2007 4:39:11 AM PST by NonValueAdded (Pelosi, the call was for Comity, not Comedy. But thanks for the laughs. StarKisses, NVA.)
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I bet the ones who live near NH are happier. They can come here and buy their nasty things much cheaper, even without the big increase. Of course our dimlycrat gubbernor wants to get on the cigarette tax increase bandwagon so he and our new dimlycrat majority legislature will probably kill the goose. I fully expect it to happen.

I think it's the other way around.  Mainers have been going to NH for cigarettes.  Since the last tax increase of $2.00, that puts a carton of generics at $45-$46 dollars a carton!  I think they are cheaper then that in NH!

14 posted on 01/25/2007 4:42:37 AM PST by SheLion (When you're right, take up the fight!!!!!)
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Expect the Dims to change the state slogan to, "Live free or don't."

Well, the people will only take so much!  Maine smokers were up in arms over the last tax increase.  Now he wants to hit them with another? I don't think so!

15 posted on 01/25/2007 4:44:00 AM PST by SheLion (When you're right, take up the fight!!!!!)
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Gee, this cut into our economy here in NH. We were looking for an increase in business. But the libs in ME will get their folks another way with tax increases.

As long as they leave the smokers alone for a change.  How about bumping up the tax on alcohol a dollar a bottle?  Sounds good to ME! hehe!!


16 posted on 01/25/2007 4:45:11 AM PST by SheLion (When you're right, take up the fight!!!!!)
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Cigarettes end up costing society somewhere between $5-7 per pack. Nasty little habit, and more addictive than cocaine. It still amuses me that people who use dip are considered the unsophisticated ones... *rolls eyes* Not that either is a great habit.

You know, I don't know why the cookie cutters keep repeating these lies.  Don't you realize that Maine smokers pay more then their fair share of health insurance???  Why do you believe those lies and keep repeating them?  That is what irks me the most.  When the highly paid professional anti-smokers brain wash people like you into believing their BS about smoking and health care!  And to top it off, you continue to repeat that garbage.

17 posted on 01/25/2007 4:47:47 AM PST by SheLion (When you're right, take up the fight!!!!!)
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Just repeating an assertion or do you have a link?

Not even considering the fact that the whole hoo-ha about "societal costs" usually comes from members of the socialist hive and implies that the individual is owned by the hive.

I just told him that I am so sick and tired of the general non-smoking public being brain washed by the professionals into believing this chit, and then to keep repeating it really burns me up!

"You know, I don't know why the cookie cutters keep repeating these lies.  Don't you realize that Maine smokers pay more then their fair share of health insurance???  Why do you believe those lies and keep repeating them?  That is what irks me the most.  When the highly paid professional anti-smokers brain wash people like you into believing their BS about smoking and health care!  And to top it off, you continue to repeat that garbage."

18 posted on 01/25/2007 4:49:38 AM PST by SheLion (When you're right, take up the fight!!!!!)
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Revenues will "go to health care", health care for the poor, education, you name it. The lead story was an interview with a college student government representative who felt that the proposed increase was a good idea because college tuition has increased dramatically.

That's a bunch of garbage and we all know it!

If the cigarette tax dollars HAD gone to health care, etc in the beginning, they would not have to continually keep raising it!  The lawmakers turned into gluttons when the cigarette tax dollars started rolling in.  What did they do with that money?  Pet programs, building huge golf courses, sponsoring race car teams, etc, instead of going to sick kids and prescriptions drugs where that money is desperately needed!


19 posted on 01/25/2007 4:52:37 AM PST by SheLion (When you're right, take up the fight!!!!!)
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Investigation Concerning Termination of Smokers And/Or Charging Smokers Higher Healthcare or Disability Premiums
In 30 states and the District of Columbia, state law makes it illegal for companies to impose smoking bans on their employees when they are off duty. In addition, the federal employee benefits law, ERISA, prevents employers from discriminating against and/or firing employees, here smokers, to interfere with the attainment of any right under a benefit plan, here the right to health benefits.

20 posted on 01/25/2007 5:17:11 AM PST by SheLion (When you're right, take up the fight!!!!!)
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