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Grapes, milk, fish guts: Vintners may have to label allergens (Nanny state alert)
AP via/The Press Democrat/The Lompoc Record ^ | January 15, 2007 | AP

Posted on 01/15/2007 9:11:04 PM PST by quantim

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To: absolootezer0

Should companies have to publish nutrition information on packages at all? calories, ingredients, etc..


41 posted on 01/16/2007 9:17:39 AM PST by N3WBI3 ("Help me out here guys: What do you do with someone who wont put up or shut up?" - N3WBI3)
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To: N3WBI3

should they have to? no. I'm sure there are people that actually read them, and those people like it. but i could care less. besides, the majority of what i eat is fresh.
I think if enough people want it done, then their buying power will make a company choose to do it on their own.


42 posted on 01/16/2007 9:24:04 AM PST by absolootezer0 (stop repeat offenders - don't re-elect them!)
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To: Gabz

Thanks for the ping!


43 posted on 01/16/2007 9:28:20 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: absolootezer0

ok so long as you dont think that a company should tell people what they are putting into their products (preservatives, chemical crap and the like) at least you're consistent..


44 posted on 01/16/2007 9:29:59 AM PST by N3WBI3 ("Help me out here guys: What do you do with someone who wont put up or shut up?" - N3WBI3)
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To: absolootezer0

I just hope a loved one of yours never has a deadly allergy otherwise you might become one of those annoying people who give a crap about whether or not something was process on a belt that the day before had peanuts on it..


45 posted on 01/16/2007 9:30:56 AM PST by N3WBI3 ("Help me out here guys: What do you do with someone who wont put up or shut up?" - N3WBI3)
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To: N3WBI3

Then my next question is, how much of what you prepare for dinner do you rely on labels to inform you of the presence of aflatoxins from peanuts or another source, and how much research do you do personally to educate yourself for those food products that may not be labeled for whatever reason?

Beyond that, at what level do you think the consumer must asssume that certain risks are not amenable to practical government intervention considering small-scale producers are not covered by existing regulations?

Does prudence dictate that regimen rather than selection might be the better choice?


46 posted on 01/16/2007 9:35:41 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Old Professer
Then my next question is, how much of what you prepare for dinner do you rely on labels to inform you of the presence of aflatoxins from peanuts or another source, and how much research do you do personally to educate yourself for those food products that may not be labeled for whatever reason?

Everything, if there is no label I could be giving my daughter something that can kill her (peanut allergies are that serious). If its not labeled I cant use it and worst of all even if something one day has not been processed where there are peanuts the next week the exact same product might be processed at a different factory.

Beyond that, at what level do you think the consumer must assume that certain risks are not amenable to practical government intervention considering small-scale producers are not covered by existing regulations?

Saying what goes into food and what else is made in that facility is not anywhere near what I would consider an impractical burden. If you use egg or egg produces just say so on the label, if you make peanut butter in the same faculty just let me know.

Does prudence dictate that regimen rather than selection might be the better choice?

In order for people to make an educated choice they need to know what is in the food. and given that very *very* rarely does egg products get called 'eggs' in the label allergen warnings are critical.

Its medical fact that there are a handful of very deadly allergies (peanuts, treenuts, soy, fish, shellfish) and some things that are so common that if you have a serious allergy you need to know (wheat, oats, ...) I'm not for regulating what they can put into their food but they should be required to tell consumers exactly what they are eating.

47 posted on 01/16/2007 9:59:40 AM PST by N3WBI3 ("Help me out here guys: What do you do with someone who wont put up or shut up?" - N3WBI3)
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I understand what you mean. I had a lot of allergies as a kid. But rather than my mom spending alot of time reading labels, she just cooked everything from scratch. That's how I still cook almost all my food.
Also, maybe I was lucky, but I had an awesome pediatrician that gave my mom a list of food brands that he knew would be ok for me. I also feel really lucky that the guy is still in practice and now takes care of my kids.


48 posted on 01/16/2007 10:13:45 AM PST by absolootezer0 (stop repeat offenders - don't re-elect them!)
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To: absolootezer0
I understand what you mean. I had a lot of allergies as a kid. But rather than my mom spending alot of time reading labels, she just cooked everything from scratch. That's how I still cook almost all my food.

When were you a kid? cooking from scratch is what my wife and I do alot of but what about pasta? what about cereals? its wonderful that you were able to have amother at home to cook for you all the time but the reality of peoples lives dont meet that. Why is it asking soo much to erquire food produces tell you whats in the food..

49 posted on 01/16/2007 10:26:44 AM PST by N3WBI3 ("Help me out here guys: What do you do with someone who wont put up or shut up?" - N3WBI3)
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To: quantim
They're rallying against the proposal, which they say would make even the biggest oenophiles turn up their noses.

Put the list of ingredients in with the Pregnant women shouldn’t dink warning and no one will ever read it.

50 posted on 01/16/2007 4:38:48 PM PST by Pontiac (All are worthy of freedom, none are incapable.)
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To: quantim

Geez - if you notice you have problems DON'T DRINK IT.

I haven't had wine in years because of allergies. I miss it every once in a while, but until it's sulfur free, it's something else for me.


51 posted on 01/16/2007 4:44:21 PM PST by Hoodlum91 (I support global warming.)
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To: quantim
As an E.D. physician I see the occasional anaphylaxsis. It is tough for people to avoid their allergens. I have no problem with sign alerting people to the possible presence of allergens such as nuts, milk, or eggs. Anaphylaxsis is a tragic situation and a awful way to die.

Here is a good example. If anyone here has been to a marble slab creamery or another ice cream place like that where they mix your Ice cream into a large chunk of goo with whatever topping you like. Most people dont even think that they could have mixed nuts on that same slab the customer before leaving the person with a nut allergy in grave danger. Especially if they are not carrying self injectable epinephrine.
52 posted on 01/16/2007 4:51:18 PM PST by TheRedSoxWinThePennant
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To: TruthSetsUFree
If companies don't label their products

There are hundreds of organic compounds in a bottle of wine.  They are not pharmaceuticals for Heaven's sake.  There is no reason to attach a brochure to every bottle of wine.  If someone has any known allergies to a compound in wine, then they ought not to drink it.

53 posted on 01/16/2007 7:08:28 PM PST by quantim (Carcinoma Senatorus = Incurable cancer causing senators to think they're Presidential material.)
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I don't see information as nanny-statism. Mandating what can be sold is.

Like foie gras on NYC menus?  Perhaps if there was a label speared on the goose liver that would make it OK on a menu, lol?

54 posted on 01/16/2007 7:22:33 PM PST by quantim (Carcinoma Senatorus = Incurable cancer causing senators to think they're Presidential material.)
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To: N3WBI3
I just hope a loved one of yours never has a deadly allergy otherwise you might become one of those annoying people

So if someone croaks after drinking a glass of wine should the winery be sued because it didn't have a published CSI molecular breakdown of its components?

55 posted on 01/16/2007 7:29:55 PM PST by quantim (Carcinoma Senatorus = Incurable cancer causing senators to think they're Presidential material.)
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To: quantim
"If someone has any known allergies to a compound in wine, then they ought not to drink it."

And that's exactly what we folks who have allergies do when things aren't labeled: we avoid it altogether. You would think that it would be a benefit to companies, tho, to label their products as there are probably many products I could eat if only I knew what was NOT in them.

56 posted on 01/16/2007 7:32:53 PM PST by TruthSetsUFree
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To: quantim

Yea because (This product is processed with fish) is *really* a CSI type burden right! Way to have no clue about the seriousness of these allergies nor how simple the phrase Processed with Fish is..


57 posted on 01/16/2007 7:37:27 PM PST by N3WBI3 ("Help me out here guys: What do you do with someone who wont put up or shut up?" - N3WBI3)
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To: quantim
I would like to present you with what you are comparing:


58 posted on 01/16/2007 7:39:49 PM PST by N3WBI3 ("Help me out here guys: What do you do with someone who wont put up or shut up?" - N3WBI3)
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To: N3WBI3
In order for people to make an educated choice they need to know what is in the food.

To stay away from any 'processed food' is not difficult.

What you are missing is 'economies of scale' common sense.  To be sure food allergies can, are, and will be fatal to some people.  Peanuts, shellfish, mustard seed (in my case) can be serious or even deadly.  The last thing I need in my life is another layer of gubmint to protect me through mandates when that same gubmint is killing from every other angle.

59 posted on 01/16/2007 7:46:47 PM PST by quantim (Carcinoma Senatorus = Incurable cancer causing senators to think they're Presidential material.)
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To: quantim
To stay away from any 'processed food' is not difficult.

Its slightly harder than it is to actually label the freaking product..

60 posted on 01/16/2007 7:49:50 PM PST by N3WBI3 ("Help me out here guys: What do you do with someone who wont put up or shut up?" - N3WBI3)
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