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Fed keeps rates the same for 4th time (dollar plunges)
AFX News (via FXStreet) ^ | December 12, 2006

Posted on 12/12/2006 12:15:06 PM PST by GodGunsGuts

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To: Toddsterpatriot

Well of course inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomena.

But if a currency is declining vis a vis other currencies it's probably a sign that there's too much of that currency sloshing aroung.

No, high prices do not cause inflation, inflation causes high prices.


61 posted on 12/12/2006 1:52:29 PM PST by NeoCaveman (Kucinich, Vilsak, Obama, Biden, Bayh, Dodd, & Edwards the 7 dwarves to Snow Rodham)
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To: RobRoy

Rob,

I think you mean to say disinflation.

Deflation is ruinous. Just ruinous.


62 posted on 12/12/2006 1:58:34 PM PST by Plymouth Sentinel (Sooner Rather Than Later)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

They'd love to have us believe this.

The dollar and dollar assets (Tsrys) have done well as real returns are higher here than abroad.

Few financial writers are even accurate, much less worth your while.


63 posted on 12/12/2006 2:00:50 PM PST by Plymouth Sentinel (Sooner Rather Than Later)
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To: NeoCaveman

Actually, inflation is caused by too much money. Asset price inflation is caused by credit expansion, then procyclical behavior among those who extend credit, then by phenomena such as risk shifting (See Allen and Gale) and animal spirits.


64 posted on 12/12/2006 2:03:05 PM PST by Plymouth Sentinel (Sooner Rather Than Later)
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To: NeoCaveman

"it's probably a sign that there's too much of that currency sloshing around"

We had a discussion about the rates in another article yesterday. The over use of exotic loans by people who had no business taking loans is coming back to bite us. The aggregate economy itself is taking a hit from the loan industry. Its going to be a rough 2007 because the rates are not coming down. The fear of inflation is too great.


65 posted on 12/12/2006 2:08:08 PM PST by xusafflyer (Mexifornian by birth, Hoosier by choice.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

seems to me we are in just as much an ecconomic war as a bullet war.

This hurts the EU and that is a good thing.


66 posted on 12/12/2006 2:09:42 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: NeoCaveman; Moonman62
But if a currency is declining vis a vis other currencies it's probably a sign that there's too much of that currency sloshing aroung.

Or too little of the other currency.

67 posted on 12/12/2006 2:10:37 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (If you agree with EPI, you're not a conservative!)
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To: Plymouth Sentinel
Deflation is ruinous. Just ruinous.

He's a renter. And confused. Economics is hard.

68 posted on 12/12/2006 2:11:53 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (If you agree with EPI, you're not a conservative!)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Nice charts!

Don't be such a gloomy gus!

The USDX will take months, at least, to break 80! LOL!

There's plenty of time to reverse course, cut the fat, cap spending, de-regulate, whatever. I'm sure The American Government, in all its wisdom, will make the dollar go up.

uh, /sarc


69 posted on 12/12/2006 2:20:33 PM PST by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism.)
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To: RobRoy

I don't really see how you could have deflation in todays economy. What percentage of the monetary flow is cash these days? Not all that much, I'd bet. Deflation could only occur if the credit market dries up.

And if that happens, it would truly be a world changing event. Mrs. X would walk into a grocery store to buy Hamburger Helper for dinner and put it on her credit card, which still has a few hundred bucks on it before it's limited out, and allofthesuddenlike the machine just chews up the card and spits out these little plastic ribbons..

Man o Man o Man they just keep pushin this thing so that when it breaks, it's gonna really break!


70 posted on 12/12/2006 2:31:57 PM PST by djf (They have their place. We have our place. WAKE UP!! They want to turn our place into their place!!!)
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To: RegulatorCountry
That is exactly what I meant. Inflation created a deflation of the value of their money. "Value" is the key word.
71 posted on 12/12/2006 3:53:57 PM PST by RobRoy
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Manufacturing costs should continue to decline, much as the cost of electronic goods declines, for obvious reasons - have you ever looked inside one of the original Beta VCR's? There is a reason they were so expensive.


72 posted on 12/12/2006 3:55:58 PM PST by RobRoy
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To: RobRoy
Manufacturing costs should continue to decline

There is a difference between deflation caused by gains in productivity and/or by improvements in technology and deflation caused by too little money supply growth.

73 posted on 12/12/2006 3:58:33 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (If you agree with EPI, you're not a conservative!)
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To: NeoCaveman

Expected.


74 posted on 12/12/2006 4:01:22 PM PST by OldArmy52 (China & India: Doing jobs Americans don't want to do (manuf., engineering, accounting, etc))
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To: GodGunsGuts

Smoke and mirrors.

The Fed is inflating the economy as we speak. They stopped publishing M3 for a reason. While the raised rates to 5.25%, money supply grew at a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 8.7% in the three months from November 2005 to February 2006.

So on one hand they say they are fighting price inflation but in the background they are creating money inflation. I suspect the dollar is reacting to the growth in M3, not the Feds public interest rate decisions.


75 posted on 12/12/2006 4:08:53 PM PST by mpreston
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To: mpreston

All the more reason to educate Americans that "MONEY IS TOO IMPORTANT" to Trust with Central Bankers!

http://www.financialsense.com/fsu/editorials/dorsch/2006/1212.html


76 posted on 12/12/2006 4:13:37 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: mpreston
They stopped publishing M3 for a reason. While the raised rates to 5.25%, money supply grew at a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 8.7% in the three months from November 2005 to February 2006.

How much is M2 growing?

77 posted on 12/12/2006 4:17:28 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (If you agree with EPI, you're not a conservative!)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
How much is M2 growing?

October was 4.83%

78 posted on 12/12/2006 5:17:43 PM PST by simon says what
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Lost of charts / data

http://www.nowandfutures.com/key_stats.html


79 posted on 12/12/2006 5:21:13 PM PST by mpreston
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To: 2banana

Still falling...


80 posted on 12/12/2006 5:21:26 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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