Posted on 12/07/2006 8:28:35 AM PST by Valin
HH: Explain your reaction, if youve had a chance to read even the executive summary Ive been through the whole document, and it is a disaster if it is followed.
CH: Yes, it is indeed. Why, you ask? Well, it means that both our friends and our enemies in the region are in a sense put on notice, that in the case of the enemies, all they have to do is wait us out. And in the case of our friends, that we dont have much of an appetite for sticking by them. Thats to say the democrats in Lebanon and in Iraq and so forth have begun to feel a rather chill breeze. Actually, thats the smallest way you can put it, given the sort of cruelty and violence to which theyre subjected every day. And our foes will think well, this is almost too easy.
HH: Yeah.
CH: The whole conversation has been shifted, more or less, within a matter of weeks of not whether to withdraw, but how to do so and how quickly.
HH: I dont know if youve had a chance to meander through the appendices yet?
CH: I have not.
HH: Of the 43 former officials and experts consulted, there are included Mark Danner of the New York Review of Books, Thomas Friedman, Leslie Gelb, Sandy Berger, Anthony Lake, Ken Pollack, Thomas Ricks and George Will. The ISG did not find, Im quoting from my blog here, the ISG did not find it necessary to talk with, say, Victor Davis Hanson, Lawrence Wright, Robert Kaplan, Mark Steyn, Michael Ledeen, Reuel Marc Gerecht, or Christopher Hitchens. I think Bill Kristol got five minutes. Did they seal themselves off, Christopher Hitchens, from any kind of robust approach to Iraq?
CH: Well, I dont particularly mind being snubbed by someone like James Baker, let alone Mr. Lee Hamilton. I can live with that. But what does annoy me I can be annoyed on someone elses behalf. And I know, for example, that our friends in the Kurdistan regional government, which is the most successful and thriving and prosperous and peaceful part not just only of Iraq, but of the whole region, is a great success of the regime change platform, were not invited to contribute, were not visited in the three provinces of Northern Iraq that they control, and that theyve kept safe, without losing a single American soldier. In fact, there are hardly any American soldiers needed there, that the committee didnt travel there when it was in Iraq, it didnt seek their opinions in Baghdad either, and that seems to me an absolutely grotesque oversight.
HH: Theres a second one. Of the 21 foreign officials interviewed, only David Abramovich, whos the director general of the Israel Minister of Foreign Affairs, was consulted from the Israeli state. And incredibly, Christopher Hitchens, they did not consult with anyone from the democratic government of Lebanon, even as they urge us to reach an understanding with the thugs of Syria, who are mowing them down one by one.
CH: Well, thats really quite extraordinary, because for example, Walid Jumblatt, the leader of the Lebanese Socialist Party, whose father was a very heroic Lebanese politician also, was murdered by the Syrians in the 70s, and who is leader also of the Druze community, which is a very important community in Lebanon, and a very important figure in the elected government there. He was in Washington very recently, and has been quite often putting the case for Lebanese autonomy, and so its not as if hes a hard man to find, or anything of the sort. This clearly cant be oversight, can it?
HH: No. Im of the mind, and Ive just written, it immediately reminded me of the Hoare-Leval Agreement, and I hope it gets the same status of that classic of appeasement literature. Will it?
CH: Well, the first name in that pact is almost perfect, isnt it?
HH: Yes. But Ill leave it to you as the Englishman to explain why.
CH: Well, Samuel Hoare, which I think youll agree is the perfect name for the first line of a limerick
HH: Yes
CH: Actually, I do know a limerick about him, but
HH: But I dont want I dont think the FCC will allow it.
CH: I cant repeat it on your program.
HH: No.
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HH: When they write about Iran, that we need to engage them, a full blown diplomatic offensive, what possible opportunity is there to engage Ahmadinejad and Khatami, and the rest of the mad mullahs?
CH: Well, its not as if it hasnt been tried, you see. I mean, Ive talked recently to a lot of people in Washington, British and American, and other Europeans, too, whove been involved in these very long, drawn out negotiations of Iraq. Theyve been made a lot of very handsome offers for directors, and theyve been handed great bushels of carrots as well, often, I would say, rather humiliating sized bushels. And the thing is, they wont take them. I mean, they wont take these offers. Its not that we are refusing to be nice to them. Its that they arent interested in this kind of negotiation. And certainly not if it comes at any price such as they have to prove theyve been adhering to a treaty they solemnly signed, namely the non-proliferation treaty. They wont do that. Theyve been repeatedly caught cheating and concealing. And so, for anyone to say that we havent exhausted the option of being nice, or making nice, is flat out fatuous. Were it otherwise, I still think that it would be a very good thing for the United States to say publicly where Iranians can hear it, because we know that theres a huge reservoir of sympathy for democracy and friendship within Iran. And also, the people can get satellite dishes and internet access and so on. Theyre not imprisoned as the Iraqis were, and the North Koreans still are. We can talk directly to them. Im in favor of making all kinds of approaches of that sort, over the heads of these scrofulous mullahs who of course do not reflect the Iranian peoples choice, and are the product of a laughably rigged election.
The world is laughing at us today.
bump for after Dubya
Pwnd!
bump
However many millions die as a result, at least Baker is secure in his realism.
Hitchens is aware that he and his like will be the first to kiss the sword if the mullahs win. They are free to live in a Christian country without fear but that changes when the sides change.
It's too bad that more "infidels" can't see this. They are too busy being worried about "Christmas".
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus
The audio version:
http://www.townhall.com/talkradio/Show.aspx?RadioShowID=5
This country voted for the next 9-11 on 11-7. They don't realize it, but this type of report is exactly the type of thing which will enable it by emboldening the terrorists.
The key to understanding the benefit of this to the USA and people in Iraq, is to look at some of the author's names:
"...Mark Danner of the New York Review of Books, Thomas Friedman, Leslie Gelb, Sandy Berger, Anthony Lake, Ken Pollack, Thomas Ricks and George Will..."
That, and looking at the people who enthusiastically applaud this document...Liberals, Democrats, and the "Will Bush Listen" Media.
That tells you all you need to know.
Carolyn
Too upset to respond, so I'll just bump.
Sounds like all the Surrendercrats and Appeasacans got together and issued a bi-partisan report. Besides enheartening our enemies, this crap can only demoralize our own troops. Who want's to risk dying for a mission when know you are being sold out in Washington?
Nancee
marking
Baker's an Arabist, he hardly went into this thing objectively.
Histchins has supported this war (and its greater ramifications) for years.
He's not the one you should be pissed at.
" very long, drawn out negotiations of Iraq."
I believe he meant Iran. Right?
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