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To: COEXERJ145; gridlock
They need to get some orders for the 747-8 passengers version.

But Boeing hasn't got a final configuration for it yet. They recently decided to make the passenger and freighter the same length due to better than expected aerodynamic performance in wind tunnel tests. Boeing had been shooting for 8,000+ nm range for the passenger version, but wind tunnel test showed it would really have an 8,300 nm range. Several airliners told Boeing they'd rather have less range and more seats with lower CASM than more range. They also said having the same fuselage length would increase the residual value of the planes when they are later converted to freighters.

Emirates, however, is upset that Boeing won't build the shorter longer range version that was initially offered. Supposedly Boeing is considering ways to decrease enough weight on the 747-8 by substituting redesigned composite parts for existing metal parts for to give back the 8,300 nm range with the longer stretch. If Boeing can pull that off, it will drive more nails in the A380's coffin. The 8,300 nm mile range would be very useful for Emirates to fly to the west coast of the US. The decreased empty weight of the longer stretch 747-8I would drive down CASM even more for airlines that don't need extreme range while increasing the performance of the 747-8F.

9 posted on 11/20/2006 9:29:00 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Karl Rove isn't magnificent.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Emirates demands are some times over the top and counterproductive to Boeing's longterm vision.

They want a extremely stretched re-engineered version of the 787. The seating capacity would be almost equal to the 777 which would basically kill off the 777.

Emirates would be smart to cancel all its A380 orders and should go with a mixture of the long range version of the 777 their needs at this time and the new passenger 747 for the near future.


11 posted on 11/20/2006 10:07:25 PM PST by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: Paleo Conservative
Another thing, Boeing usually is conservative on their performance numbers when they build a plane, so ? when we actually see the 747-8I ( F ) or the 787, we might be pleasantly surprised.
Who knows ? they might be able to decrease enough weight to make the upper ( cafe, sleepers, computer lounge, business lounge, ) loft practical... if they can pull that off, that would be a really neat plane to fly in.
15 posted on 11/21/2006 10:29:19 AM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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