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NYT Reporting Friday, Sources Say: U.S. Posting of Iraq Nuke Docs on Web Could Have Helped Iran
Drudge Report ^ | November 2, 2006

Posted on 11/02/2006 7:14:31 PM PST by West Coast Conservative

Federal government set up Web site -- Operation Iraqi Freedom Document Portal -- to make public a vast archive of Iraqi documents captured during the war; detailed accounts of Iraq's secret nuclear research; a 'basic guide to building an atom bomb'... Officials of the International Atomic Energy Agency fear the information could help Iran develop nuclear arms... contain charts, diagrams, equations and lengthy narratives about bomb building that the nuclear experts say go beyond what is available elsewhere on the Internet and in other public forums...

Website now shut... Developing...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iran; iraq; nuclearprogram; nytimes; saddam; wmdprogram
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To: Jet Jaguar

They are telling us now that Bush's lies are the truth and that the truth may give Iran the bomb and get us all killed and he sucks?

Ladies and Gentlemen, we see the collapse of the New York Times. Moving into a beautiful (?) new Skyscraper on 7th avenue (isn't that appropriate - Think of the line from that great Simon and Garfunkel song, won't you...) Lie la Lie, Lie la la la la la la la Lie la Lie....

Hey Pinch, I never buy your stupid paper.


51 posted on 11/02/2006 7:27:52 PM PST by Shady
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To: West Coast Conservative

Holy crap! the NYT does not realize how badly they have just stepped in it. One can conclude three things from this. 1) Iraq was much further along in their nuke program than was reported if it had plans that would be beneficial to Iran. 2)If the inadvertent releasing of information that helps our enemies is so bad, then how can the purposeful releasing of classified information that helps our enemies, (ie. NSA, SWIFT, etc.) be a good thing?Sloppiness is one thing, treason is quite another. 3) The IAEA is useless, and with NK and Iran running to the bomb, we can once again conclude that we cannot rest on the U.N. This is going to bite them in in the butt!


52 posted on 11/02/2006 7:28:10 PM PST by Weight of Glory
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To: Question Liberal Authority
Exactly. They NYT has ignored the Iraqi documents, some of them quite damning, for so long now....and we're supposed to be outraged that the same country which wasn't a threat to anyone had detailed plans on building nuclear weapons? Plans the leftist media denied they ever had?

The NYT can't have it both ways.

53 posted on 11/02/2006 7:28:12 PM PST by jess35
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To: CutePuppy; jveritas
A while ago there was a suggestion on FR to download the DoD documents on local servers, just in case they shut down the site, anybody knows the status of the project, if it ever got off the ground?

You might want to check with jveritas. He's been doing a tremendous job of translating.

54 posted on 11/02/2006 7:28:20 PM PST by pollyannaish
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To: Shady

I'm not trusting that this is all until tomorrow.


55 posted on 11/02/2006 7:28:43 PM PST by mwl1
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To: LikeLight
Bush was right!

NY Times starting to point that out ....developing............. 

56 posted on 11/02/2006 7:28:53 PM PST by 1035rep
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To: West Coast Conservative
Officials of the International Atomic Energy Agency fear the information could help Iran develop nuclear arms

Ummmmm ... Iran has been working on nukes LONG before those documents were posted

Maybe te NYT might want to try googling news articles

57 posted on 11/02/2006 7:30:09 PM PST by Mo1 (Senator Kerry's response to the military ~ Let me make this is crystal clear, I apologize to no one)
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To: truthandlife
Let me get this straight.

Bush never should have invaded Iraq because Saddam had no WMDs nor any plans for same.

Bush never should have posted the Iraqi nuclear plans on the internet because it helped the Iranian get WMDs.

Is that about it?

58 posted on 11/02/2006 7:30:12 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: West Coast Conservative

PINCH:
I have a great idea! You know those documents the military captured in Iraq and posted on the web to support their case for war? Let's make a story out of the possibility those documents are helping Iran build their bomb!

UNDERLING:
Umm...Mr. Sulzberger...if we do that...

PINCH:
You Worm! What are you saying? I don't pay your salary to have you disagree with me!

UNDERLING:
But Mr. Sulzberger, if we do that...we have to go against the talking points and style book, which require us to say that Saddam never had WMD and never pursued them...

PINCH:
That's it! Sack him. And get me a double mocha latte.


59 posted on 11/02/2006 7:31:06 PM PST by rlmorel (The US Media...Where you get Million Dollar Words From people with a Ten Cent Fart for a brain.)
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To: jess35

Imagine if Bush had kept these documents secret for 3 years and then announced today for the very first time that these documents existed and proved that Saddam had a WMD program. The NYT would be screaming bloody murder about the "October Surprise" and about the administration callously sitting on these documents for political purposes while our troops were dying.


60 posted on 11/02/2006 7:31:18 PM PST by Question Liberal Authority (Kerry's Joke Insulted The Wrong People In The Wrong War At the Wrong Time)
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To: pollyannaish
But, but, but...I thought that Saddam wasn't seeking Nuclear weapons and had completely shut his program down. Talk about dazed and confused

I doubt the NYT and the UN realize they are also saying Bush was right

61 posted on 11/02/2006 7:31:28 PM PST by Mo1 (Senator Kerry's response to the military ~ Let me make this is crystal clear, I apologize to no one)
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Bush needs to call a press conference and declassify all this crap........if they know something then spill it, since the media is hellbent on exposing everything anyway.

I bet in 20 years we'll be shocked what W et al knew/know about Iraq.


62 posted on 11/02/2006 7:31:32 PM PST by Crimson Elephant
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To: West Coast Conservative

they're just jealous


63 posted on 11/02/2006 7:31:51 PM PST by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." Lincoln)
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To: jveritas
I read thousands of documents so far and not a single one "detail" how to build a nuclear bomb. So now the New York Times is interested in the documents but they do not mention the many documents that show Saddam never stopped in working to develop his nuclear program or WMD.

Your observation deserves wider dissemination. You are the expert. Suggest you do a "vanity" thread on the subject.

64 posted on 11/02/2006 7:32:02 PM PST by M. Thatcher
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To: Crimson Elephant

It is declassified. That is why it was up on a public website.


65 posted on 11/02/2006 7:32:29 PM PST by CptRepublican (Relax....)
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To: Mo1

How could they not? Seriously? Do they just think that Iran getting the information is scary enough that people won't notice? Bewildering, frankly.


66 posted on 11/02/2006 7:33:23 PM PST by pollyannaish
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To: West Coast Conservative; All
Forward this reply regarding the New York Times article to all our side of the media if you can and whenver you can:

"Saddam was not supposed to keep any documents related or the Know How of how to make WMD whether its Chemical Weapons, biological weapons, or nuclear weapons. If Saddam regime kept such documents of the "Know How" to build a nuclear weapon then they clearly violated the UN sanctions against them and it proves without any shadow of doubt that they wanted to rebuild their nuclear program".

Regards; jveritas.

67 posted on 11/02/2006 7:33:33 PM PST by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: okie01
Is that about it?

I'd say that sums it up nicely.

68 posted on 11/02/2006 7:33:38 PM PST by jwalsh07 (Jhengis Johnny was against an apology before he was for it, sort of.)
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To: West Coast Conservative
Yeah and I can find how to make ricin on the web as well. So? What a bunch of crap. But the MSM will fawn over this as though it were a bombshell.
69 posted on 11/02/2006 7:33:53 PM PST by rintense (Liberals stand for nothing and are against everything- unless it benefits them.)
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To: BallyBill

Compliments of the Genius Freeper Dead!

70 posted on 11/02/2006 7:34:08 PM PST by rlmorel (The US Media...Where you get Million Dollar Words From people with a Ten Cent Fart for a brain.)
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To: jess35

It also begs the question: What's so wrong about Iran having a nuclear program? I thought that it was pure arrogance and hegemony on our part to decide which nations should have nukes and which should not. The president of Iran visited the USA and was treated like a rock star by the New York Times. Heck, we should have given him a nuclear weapon on the way out, just to show him that we really trust him.


71 posted on 11/02/2006 7:34:12 PM PST by Question Liberal Authority (Kerry's Joke Insulted The Wrong People In The Wrong War At the Wrong Time)
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To: InvisibleChurch

LOL!


72 posted on 11/02/2006 7:34:36 PM PST by LibertyOrElse
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I cannot understand why the GOP has not done some kind of Perot styled 30 minute show laying out all the KNOWN links, found documents et al

Christopher Hitchens does it all by himself yet the GOP and the WH can't get their act together and sieze the high ground?

Hate him as I do, but Clinton was a master to the extreme of that.........he would release classified docs if he had to.

Normally I would say Bush shouldn't do that, but I think the MISSION is in such danger now that releasing all classified info would be more valuable than whatever value it has as secret. This is World War IV after all.......and we are on the cusp of having it fall apart.


73 posted on 11/02/2006 7:35:36 PM PST by Crimson Elephant
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To: jveritas
If Saddam regime kept such documents of the "Know How" to build a nuclear weapon then they clearly violated the UN sanctions against them and it proves without any shadow of doubt that they wanted to rebuild their nuclear program".

 BTTT
 

74 posted on 11/02/2006 7:35:42 PM PST by 1035rep
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To: pollyannaish

I have 1780 Iraqi documents downloaded with a size of 13.7 GB :)


75 posted on 11/02/2006 7:35:47 PM PST by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: jveritas

DUmmies are already talking about it...

"Get this story spun right. The RW will try to muddle this but don't be fooled. This is a very BAD story for Bush. (At least based on what we know so far)

This is not about Iran having a nuke program or about Iraqi WMD. The docs are from long ago when Iraq had a nuke program. (presumably pre first Gulf war). There is no controversy that Iraq had a nuke program way back when. (Though some RW morans will doubtless misread this story as saying something different) This is about Bush admin mishandling of sensitive nuke information.

The Bush admin was so spazzed out to make bogus claims that they had found anything worthwhile in Iraq they posted sensitive nuke data on the frigging internet which happened to include some nuke data that was not publicly available and that the IAEA fears helped out Iran's nuke program. (This would have been the same post invasion panic phase when Rummy ordered full-on torture in Iraq to find some WMD somewhere, leading to Abu Ghraib)"


76 posted on 11/02/2006 7:36:06 PM PST by steadcom
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To: Question Liberal Authority
Iraq had a nuclear program?

Great catch.

"detailed accounts of Iraq's secret nuclear research; a 'basic guide to building an atom bomb'... Officials of the International Atomic Energy Agency fear the information could help Iran develop nuclear arms... contain charts, diagrams, equations and lengthy narratives about bomb building that the nuclear experts say go beyond what is available elsewhere ..."

So...

We're guilty for claiming Iraq had and/or was working on WMD - when they "didn't" and now we're guilty for publishing the captured documents that say otherwise?

77 posted on 11/02/2006 7:36:46 PM PST by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." Lincoln)
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To: frankjr
Mmmm, I wonder where Iraq got the documents in the first place and why Iran couldn't get them.

Those were my first thoughts when I saw the post on Drudge. If Iraq had them, Iran did as well.

Further, in 2003, how far along was Iran in their nuke program? Were they already ahead (but playing patty-cake with the IAEA to buy time)?

78 posted on 11/02/2006 7:37:25 PM PST by batter ("Never let the enemy pick the battle site." - Gen. George S. Patton)
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To: Question Liberal Authority

During the 2004 debates, didn't Kerry advocate helping Iran further with its "peaceful" uses of atomic energy?


79 posted on 11/02/2006 7:37:28 PM PST by mwl1
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To: jveritas

You are so amazing. I knew we could count on you. Thanks!


80 posted on 11/02/2006 7:38:02 PM PST by pollyannaish
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To: West Coast Conservative

Wow!!! What an utter INDICTMENT of the mainstream media for ignoring this information for the past THREE YEARS. This is a GOLDMINE of an admission of incompetence and bias on the part of the mainstream media, but I doubt it will be reported that way.

Bottom line: This will help vindicate what the President has been saying all along. We should all thank the NY Times for finally doing its job.


81 posted on 11/02/2006 7:39:06 PM PST by TaxesR2High
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To: jveritas
I'd also like to second M. Thatcher upthread re: posting the vanity.
82 posted on 11/02/2006 7:39:07 PM PST by pollyannaish
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To: steadcom

LOL! What idiots.


83 posted on 11/02/2006 7:39:16 PM PST by 1035rep
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To: steadcom
Iraq was not supposed to have any documents related to the "know how" of building WMD, let alone a nuclear weapon. This is the ultimate proof that Iraq has violated the UN sanctions and that they wanted to re-build their nuclear program.
85 posted on 11/02/2006 7:39:44 PM PST by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: digger48

It's so weak, it may be a bait-and-switch tactic. The real "surprise" is still a surprise.


86 posted on 11/02/2006 7:39:58 PM PST by SteveMcKing
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To: pollyannaish; M. Thatcher

I shall do so.


87 posted on 11/02/2006 7:40:27 PM PST by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: pollyannaish

"But, but, but...I thought that Saddam wasn't seeking Nuclear weapons and had completely shut his program down. Talk about dazed and confused."

You are not alone. 1st there were no programs, no WMD and now we are aiding Iran?

Even Kerry and Clinton would have problems parsing this logic.


88 posted on 11/02/2006 7:41:03 PM PST by Prost1 (Fair and Unbiased as always!)
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To: steadcom; PJ-Comix

LOL. I cannot wait unti PJ Comix comes out with his DUFunnies on THIS one...:)


89 posted on 11/02/2006 7:42:05 PM PST by rlmorel (The US Media...Where you get Million Dollar Words From people with a Ten Cent Fart for a brain.)
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To: steadcom; PJ-Comix

LOL. I cannot wait unti PJ Comix comes out with his DUFunnies on THIS one...:)


90 posted on 11/02/2006 7:42:12 PM PST by rlmorel (The US Media...Where you get Million Dollar Words From people with a Ten Cent Fart for a brain.)
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To: M. Thatcher; jveritas
Oops. I should have pinged you to my post 82. I was just seconding you. And it worked. Thank you jveritas!
91 posted on 11/02/2006 7:42:24 PM PST by pollyannaish
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To: pollyannaish
they don't think .. this is meant as a hit piece before an election to blame us for Iran's nukes instead of those who actually helped Iran build them and those who actually turned a blind eye to what Iran has been doing

All one has to do is google and you'll find many articles of Iran .. you'll find they were working on nukes long before those documents were ever posted
92 posted on 11/02/2006 7:42:25 PM PST by Mo1 (Senator Kerry's response to the military ~ Let me make this is crystal clear, I apologize to no one)
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To: LikeLight

Okay, this will hurt Republican candidates how?

If Saddam had such hot nuke tech, then it bolsters the need for the invasion, i.e. Bush was right!

_______________

NY Times will wake up tomorrow and take a hard gulp when they realize they outsmarted themselves. NY Times is the "John Kerry" of newspapers. LOL!!!


93 posted on 11/02/2006 7:42:31 PM PST by conservativepoet (NY Times is the "John Kerry" of newspapers)
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To: West Coast Conservative
Here's the story.
94 posted on 11/02/2006 7:43:07 PM PST by KingKenrod
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To: Prost1

I was mostly being sarcastic, but you are absolutely correct. Besides, I get the very distinct feeling Kerry's parsing days are over.


95 posted on 11/02/2006 7:43:34 PM PST by pollyannaish
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To: rlmorel

Hope the WH is smart enough to point out that this proves that Saddam had an active nuclear development program, thereby demonstrating that he was a gathering threat....


96 posted on 11/02/2006 7:43:40 PM PST by mwl1
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To: jveritas
This also seems like a glaring indictment of the Clinton Administration. If they had this information, why and the world did they not pursue UN action against Iraq?
97 posted on 11/02/2006 7:44:58 PM PST by rintense (Liberals stand for nothing and are against everything- unless it benefits them.)
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To: Crimson Elephant
Bush needs to call a press conference and declassify all this crap........if they know something then spill it,

Rovian trap?


98 posted on 11/02/2006 7:45:10 PM PST by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." Lincoln)
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To: Mo1
In fact, a few minutes ago I was looking for ElBaradei's name and found a BOOK outlining these very concerns in relationship to the IAEA...from 1982.

So this certainly isn't new.
99 posted on 11/02/2006 7:45:22 PM PST by pollyannaish
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To: okie01
Is that about it?

Yep that's it

100 posted on 11/02/2006 7:45:24 PM PST by Mo1 (Senator Kerry's response to the military ~ Let me make this is crystal clear, I apologize to no one)
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