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We're nearly all Celts under the skin [In Great Britain]
The Scotsman ^ | September 21, 2006 | IAN JOHNSTON

Posted on 09/23/2006 10:33:58 AM PDT by Torie

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Bryan Sykes almost wrote a book entitled Adam's Curse: A Future without Men . Enjoy.
1 posted on 09/23/2006 10:34:00 AM PDT by Torie
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To: zot

ping


3 posted on 09/23/2006 10:48:02 AM PDT by GreyFriar ( (3rd Armored Division - Spearhead))
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To: Torie; Colosis; Black Line; Cucullain; SomeguyfromIreland; Youngblood; Fergal; Cian; col kurz; ...
Ireland Ping!

4 posted on 09/23/2006 10:53:13 AM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!|What if I lecture Americans about America?)
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To: Torie

Maybe I should put myself down as not as "Caucasian" but as "Celts". It sound more impressive.


5 posted on 09/23/2006 10:53:21 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: Right Wing Assault

Oops.

Celts = Celtic


6 posted on 09/23/2006 10:55:16 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: Right Wing Assault

Me too, I always thought I was a WASP, LOL.


7 posted on 09/23/2006 11:03:16 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: Torie

Now maybe this is true for Bill Russell, but Wilt Chamberlain was no Celt.

8 posted on 09/23/2006 11:06:19 AM PDT by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: Torie
Interesting stuff, Torie. Thanks for the post.

I can trace my surname to Carlisle, near the England-Scotland border, but that's the extent of my knowledge. Am I descended from Celts? Romans? Norsemen? Danes? Saxons? Normans? I have no idea, but I assume I'm a mongrel of sorts. Britain was invaded again and again over the last two millenia, and I'm sure most Brits, let alone those whose ancestors left the island centuries ago, have long since lost track.

9 posted on 09/23/2006 11:12:59 AM PDT by southernnorthcarolina (Some people are like Slinkies: totally useless, but fun to throw down a stair.)
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To: Irish_Thatcherite

can you add me to your Irish ping list please.


10 posted on 09/23/2006 11:18:11 AM PDT by Mercat (Show me what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman.)
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To: Torie

A shout out for great....grandpa Halfdan Frodasson born c. 503, Denmark! Vikings rule!


11 posted on 09/23/2006 11:18:18 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: Torie

Celtics spread Limey Disease?


12 posted on 09/23/2006 11:20:25 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: GreyFriar

My bullshit detector reacted strongly to these sweeping assertions with no indication of sample size or procedure.

According to my 25-marker Y-DNA test results, my paternal ancestors were Anglo-Saxon not Celt. They lived in county Norfolk in East Anglia.


13 posted on 09/23/2006 11:24:31 AM PDT by zot (GWB -- the most slandered man of this decade)
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To: Mercat

Ok, done! :)


14 posted on 09/23/2006 11:24:42 AM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!|What if I lecture Americans about America?)
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To: Torie
Wales is the most Celtic part of mainland Britain, with 83 per cent.


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Searching for the Welsh-Hindi link
BBC ^ | Monday, 14 March, 2005, 10:31 GMT | BBC




A BBC journalist is urging helpful linguists to come forward to help solve a mystery - why the Hindi (India's official language, along with English) accent has so much in common with Welsh. Sonia Mathur, a native Hindi speaker, had her interest sparked when she moved from India to work for the BBC in Wales - and found that two accents from countries 5,000 miles apart seemed to have something in common.

It has long been known that the two languages stem from Indo-European, the "mother of all languages" - but the peculiar similarities between the two accents when spoken in English are striking.

Remarkably, no-one has yet done a direct proper comparative study between the two languages to found out why this is so, says Ms Mathur.

"What I'm hoping is that if amateurs like myself - who have indulged in doing a little bit of research here and there - come forward, we can actually do proper research with professional linguists," she told BBC World Service's Everywoman programme.

No coincidence

Ms Mathur explained that when she moved to Wales, everyone instantly assumed she was Welsh from her accent.

"I would just answer the phone, and they would say 'oh hello, which part of Wales are you from?'," she said.

We tend to pronounce everything - all the consonants, all the vowels

Sonia Mathur "I would explain that I'm not from Wales at all - I'm from India.

"It was just hilarious each time this conversation happened."

Her interest aroused, Ms Mathur spoke to a number of other people whose first language is Hindi.

One Hindi doctor in north Wales told her that when he answered the phone, people hearing his accent would begin talking to him in Welsh.

"I thought maybe it isn't a coincidence, and if I dig deeper I might find something more," Ms Mathur said.

Particular similarities between the accents are the way that both place emphasis on the last part of word, and an elongated way of speaking that pronounces all the letters of a word.

"We tend to pronounce everything - all the consonants, all the vowels," Ms Mathur said.

"For example, if you were to pronounce 'predominantly', it would sound really similar in both because the 'r' is rolled, there is an emphasis on the 'd', and all the letters that are used to make the word can be heard.

"It's just fascinating that these things happen between people who come from such varied backgrounds."

The similarities have sometimes proved particularly tricky for actors - Pete Postlethwaite, playing an Asian criminal in the 1995 film The Usual Suspects, had his accent described by Empire magazine as "Apu from the Simpsons holidaying in Swansea".

Proto-European language

But not only the two languages' accents share notable common features - their vocabularies do too.

'Apu from the Simpsons holidaying in Swansea' or Pete Postlethwaite? Ms Mathur's own research on basic words, such as the numbers one to 10, found that many were similar - "seven", for example, is "saith" in Welsh, "saat" in Hindi.

"These kind of things really struck me," she said.

"When I reached number nine they were exactly the same - it's 'naw' - and I thought there had to be more to it than sheer coincidence."

She later spoke to professor Colin Williams of Cardiff University's School Of Welsh, who specialises in comparative languages.

He suggested that the similarities are because they come from the same mother language - the proto-European language.

"It was basically the mother language to Celtic, Latin, and Sanskrit," Ms Mathur added.

"So basically that's where this link originates from."


Ms Mathur noticed the similarities after moving to BBC Radio Wales

"We tend to pronounce everything - all the consonants, all the vowels."

Sonia Mathur

'Apu from the Simpsons holidaying in Swansea' or Pete Postlethwaite?


15 posted on 09/23/2006 11:26:56 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: F15Eagle

Any American of Spanish heritage should now be deemed hispanic for the purpose of affirmative action programs.


16 posted on 09/23/2006 11:27:55 AM PDT by Dave Burns
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To: mtbopfuyn

Hey cousin, Halfdan is my 31st great grandfather according to the Mormons.


17 posted on 09/23/2006 11:28:26 AM PDT by Mercat (Show me what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman.)
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To: Torie
Instead, a research team at Oxford University has found the majority of Britons are Celts descended from Spanish tribes who began arriving about 7,000 years ago.

7,000 years ago there was no "Spain," hence no Spanish tribes. Perhaps they meant Hispano-Celts, or Celtiberians. I know, it's nitpicking.

18 posted on 09/23/2006 11:29:32 AM PDT by two134711 ("To take no notice of a violent attack is to strengthen the heart of the enemy.")
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7,000 years ago, now that is mighty interesting as well as the "Re for a farming people who spread to Europe from the Middle East."
20 posted on 09/23/2006 11:30:26 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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