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Ky. Supreme Court Defines Where Guns Are Allowed In Vehicles
wave3.com ^ | Sep 21, 2006 | NA

Posted on 09/22/2006 12:23:01 PM PDT by neverdem

Associated Press

(LOUISVILLE, Ky.) -- Fadi Mohammad didn't think there was anything wrong with storing a gun in the center console of his car.

He found out differently when he was charged with illegally carrying the weapon during an arrest for drunken driving in Louisville.

When his case went to court, a judge dismissed the charges, saying the center console fell under a provision in Kentucky law allowing guns to be carried in a glove compartment.

But the Kentucky Supreme Court reinstated both charges on Thursday in a split decision issued in Frankfort, saying a center console is not a glove compartment.

"A glove compartment is a small storage cabinet in the dashboard of an automobile," Justice Donald C. Wintersheimer wrote in the opinion.

Mohammad's attorney, Larry Simon of Louisville, did not immediately return calls seeking comment Thursday. Bill Patterson, a spokesman for the Jefferson County Attorney's Office, which prosecuted the case, said he's glad the court clarified the law.

"When it gets to court, it's going to be easier to define if a crime took place," Patterson said.

The opinion, backed by four justices, centered on what constituted a glove compartment and whether the Kentucky General Assembly intended to include other compartments built into the cab of a vehicle when it allowed gun owners to carry weapons inside their vehicles.

Kentucky's concealed weapons law allows someone to carry a gun in the car, either in the glove compartment "regularly installed in a motor vehicle by its manufacturer," on the seat or in the trunk.

Mohammad asked a Jefferson County judge to dismiss the charges, saying the center console between the seats qualified as a glove compartment under the law. The judge agreed and dismissed the charges. The Kentucky Court of Appeals overturned that decision and sent the case to the state Supreme Court.

Wintersheimer wrote that the General Assembly didn't include all manufactured-installed compartments in the car, which means they must have meant to include only the glove compartment in the exception.

"Whether gloves fit into other compartments is immaterial because the phrase 'glove compartment' was expressly adopted by the General Assembly and retains the plain meaning as a compartment located in the dashboard of a vehicle," Wintersheimer wrote.

In a separate opinion, Justice Will T. Scott said the majority opinion refers to a compartment that always has a "locking mechanism," a requirement not listed in the General Assembly's definition of glove compartment.

"Moreover, there is nothing in the statute that requires it to be in the 'dash board,' much less on the 'face' of the dash board, as is commonly assumed," Scott wrote in an opinion joined by Chief Justice Joseph Lambert.

Scott also noted that several newer vehicles do not have glove compartments as defined by the majority of the court.

The legislature should amend the law to correct the court's ruling, because the Supreme Court cannot amend the law on its own, Scott wrote.

"That's all the better reason to reinsert 'console compartment, or some other similar compartment' back into the statute," Scott wrote. "But, that of course is not for us to do."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Kentucky
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1 posted on 09/22/2006 12:23:02 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Sounds like just another way to turn honest folks into criminals by judicial fiat to me.


2 posted on 09/22/2006 12:25:06 PM PDT by RogueIsland (.)
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To: neverdem

""A glove compartment is a small storage cabinet in the dashboard of an automobile," Justice Donald C. Wintersheimer wrote in the opinion."

Bullcrap!

Both my TransAm and Corvette have no 'storage cabinet' in the dashboard. They only have a center console which is also the 'glove box'.

Talk about nit picking.


3 posted on 09/22/2006 12:25:49 PM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: neverdem

Never thought I'd be coming down on the side of a guy named Mohammed. Not this century, at any rate.


4 posted on 09/22/2006 12:26:02 PM PDT by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: neverdem

*file under "judicial insanity:*


5 posted on 09/22/2006 12:27:41 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Bigh4u2

It's a lot easier to get to if it's in the center console. If you're being jacked you don't want to have to fumble through the glovebox to get your piece.


6 posted on 09/22/2006 12:27:43 PM PDT by lesser_satan (EKTHELTHIOR!!!)
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To: neverdem

I'd be more concerned that somebody named Mohammad was carrying a gun AT ALL.


7 posted on 09/22/2006 12:29:31 PM PDT by beelzepug (I suffer no fool lightly!)
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To: neverdem
Scott also noted that several newer vehicles do not have glove compartments as defined by the majority of the court.

And what does this have to do with the cost of tea in China? If the sun isn't seen at the North Pole in mid of winter it doesn't reduce the definition of the sun. On second thought, maybe it does in this judge's mind.

8 posted on 09/22/2006 12:29:40 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: lesser_satan

"It's a lot easier to get to if it's in the center console."

That's probably why the judges reversed the ruling.

To make it fair for the criminal.


9 posted on 09/22/2006 12:30:38 PM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: neverdem
I'd like to know when the legislature wrote that provision - were center consoles even in use then? If "on the seat" is one of the options, then ease of access doesn't seem to be the issue. And whether or not the compartment can be locked means nothing if there is no requirement for it to be locked if containing a firearm. A hyper-technical ruling that demonstrates the difference between the law and justice, the former being a murderer getting off because of an inconsequential typo on a warrant application, the latter being that same just-released murderer getting hit by a bus as he exits the courthouse.
10 posted on 09/22/2006 12:30:58 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Treaty Fetishism: "[The] belief that a piece of paper will alter the behavior of thugs." R. Lowry.)
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To: neverdem

Who the heck is the judge to define the definition of a glove compartment? If he thinks it needs further definition he should throw it back to the legislature.


11 posted on 09/22/2006 12:31:55 PM PDT by rhombus
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To: neverdem

A pathetic case of splitting glove leather.

Gloves CAN be stored in the center console.

Have the courts nothing better to do?


12 posted on 09/22/2006 12:32:11 PM PDT by GretchenM (What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul? Please meet my friend, Jesus.)
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To: neverdem; HangFire; lowbridge; feinswinesuksass; Joe Brower
Kentucky's concealed weapons law allows someone to carry a gun in the car, either in the glove compartment "regularly installed in a motor vehicle by its manufacturer," on the seat or in the trunk.

So the gun could be on the seat, but not in the console? What rubbish, and whaddabunchamaroons.

13 posted on 09/22/2006 12:32:55 PM PDT by AnnaZ (Sh'ma Yisrael Adonai Elohaynu Adonai Echad)
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To: neverdem

Perhaps Fadi should have gotten a Jewish attorney.

Unfortuantely, I agree with the Supreme Court here.


14 posted on 09/22/2006 12:33:15 PM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Bigh4u2

What color is your 'vette?

(This is not a joke question.)


15 posted on 09/22/2006 12:33:44 PM PDT by GretchenM (What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul? Please meet my friend, Jesus.)
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To: neverdem

Does anyone know more of Fadi Mohammad's story? Why was he pulled over in the first place?

From what I've read in this article, the Supremes ruling is ridiculous. What difference does it make if one stores a gun in a glove compartment or a console between the seats?


16 posted on 09/22/2006 12:33:45 PM PDT by demkicker (democrats, terrorists, Powell, McCain, Graham & Collins are intimate bedfellows)
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To: ZULU
Unfortuantely, I agree with the Supreme Court here.

Why?

17 posted on 09/22/2006 12:35:29 PM PDT by demkicker (democrats, terrorists, Powell, McCain, Graham & Collins are intimate bedfellows)
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To: neverdem
All this wouldn't have happened if Fadi Mohammad hadn't been stopped for drunken driving.

Wait a minute...Fadi Mohammad...Mohammad...MOHAMMAD! Drunk driving! Mohammad, alcohol...uh oh, somebody's going to be in trouble down at the local mosque.

< /sarcasm>
18 posted on 09/22/2006 12:35:31 PM PDT by Captain Rhino ( Dollars spent in India help a friend; dollars spent in China arm an enemy.)
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To: GretchenM

Blue

'84


19 posted on 09/22/2006 12:39:56 PM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: beelzepug

Well, he wasn't charged with possession by a person prohibited, or anything similar, so I'm going to assume that he's a law-abiding citizen.


20 posted on 09/22/2006 12:40:41 PM PDT by Gordongekko909 (Mark 5:9)
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