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To: wireman
Either you haven't researched the man, or you're a Commie agent sent to coverup the truth Yeah, that's the ticket... A Commie agent!!! You ought to calm down, junior.

I don't think you understand. Those are literally the only two options; either you don't know what you're talking about, i.e. you're a dunce, or you're spreading misinformation.
There's no other reason to be saying Golityn's a fake. He predicted actions by the Soviet Union that NOBODY could have predicted.
I have heard some here say that Golitsyn was STILL with the KGB when he made his claims. This is patently ludicrous for the following reasons:
1) Russia had nothing to gain by sending Golitsyn.
2) For years, Russia was actively trying to KILL him. Even now, unlike most other "defectors", the exact whereabouts of Golitsyn are UNKNOWN.
3) If Golitsyn was a fake, that would mean Russia was WEAK, and sent Golitsyn to create the impression that Russia was STRONGER than they really were by saying Russia was concealing the depth of it's intentions.
Russia would only do this if they were AFRAID of the United States and thought the US was preparing an attack on the United States. This is the only reason for sending Golitsyn as a "misinformation" agent; this is the only reason for portraying Russia as "stronger" than they really were.
It just doesn't make sense. The United States would only attack Russia if they were attacked by Russia. This was the foundation of the whole MAD(mutually-assured-destruction) policy. You nuke us, we'll nuke you.
But we were never going to launch a pre-emptive strike on Russia. The Russians knew this. So why would they want to create the impression in the minds of the Americans that they were more deceptive than they really were?
The answer? They didn't. Golitsyn was an anomaly; one who escaped, and lived to tell his story. The Soviets never quit the war; they simply switched fronts. This is the real truth.
43 posted on 08/22/2006 10:50:54 AM PDT by brain bleeds red
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To: brain bleeds red; GarySpFc

You guys are INCREDIBLE! Hilarious. Let's see your analysis:

You wrote:
"1) Russia had nothing to gain by sending Golitsyn."

First of all, it wasn't Russia it was the Soviet Union (this mistake is common amongst people pretending they actually know something about the USSR and Russia). But most importantly:

The Soviet Union KNEW they were having problems with defectors. They KNEW people would continue to defect from their criminal regime. They KNEW KGB agents defecting were extremely damaging. They also KNEW Angleton's weaknesses and paranoias (thanks to his buddy Philby). They naturally would send someone to get close to Angleton and discredit legitimate defectors and making the information the legitimate defectors provided unbelieved and unactionable. Plus, they had the added bonus of Golytsin convincing Angleton there was a "mole" in his ranks and knew the CIA would become disfunctional in the department Angleton ran. Guess what - THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED.


"2) For years, Russia was actively trying to KILL him. Even now, unlike most other "defectors", the exact whereabouts of Golitsyn are UNKNOWN."

RUBBISH. Golitsyn is the source of these "someone is trying to kill me" claims. Not what one would call an unimpeachable source. Perhaps he really believes these claims, but he's not even hardly mentioned in the Russian press or documentaries. Other defectors are - Gordievsky, etc. Now why would you think they don't mention Golitsyn or stir up the hatred for him??? Well?

"3) If Golitsyn was a fake, that would mean Russia was WEAK, and sent Golitsyn to create the impression that Russia was STRONGER than they really were by saying Russia was concealing the depth of it's intentions."

You're confused. Understandably so - Golitsyn was sent to cause strife in the CIA, discredit legitimate defectors, and lead analysts down false roads. The crap he wrote about in his books is solely to MAKE MONEY off of paranoics who cannot reason or think for themselves.

What amazes me is the willingness of some Americans to believe a KGB agent's propaganda and disinformation and then the same Americans attack their own intel community. Can you not see clearly who would benefit from this situation?


46 posted on 08/22/2006 12:16:31 PM PDT by Romanov (Golytsinites = "Lenin's Useful Idiots denying Reagan's Legacy")
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To: brain bleeds red
Those are literally the only two options; either you don't know what you're talking about, i.e. you're a dunce, or you're spreading misinformation.

You forgot the crucial third, and in my opinion most plausible, option - You're a whack job who has lost touch with reality!

There's a Commie under your bed too!

47 posted on 08/22/2006 12:58:16 PM PDT by wireman
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