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Posted on 08/17/2006 6:07:20 PM PDT by brain bleeds red
I'm saying the statements are opinions & not irrefutable.
It's an analogy.
I have no idea if the Soviet Union went Chapter 11 but Chapter 11 is a common practice for businesses that want to continue in business but realize they need to reorganize.
I would agree with you if it was just any American official, but when the bulk of the intel community laughs at Golytsin conspiracy theory that should tell you something.
I just heard the founder of kos on NPR claim that he was comfortable with the CIA because it is run by fellow libs.
Thank you for providing me with a HUGE laugh and for increasing the worth of my tin foil stock portfolio.
You and your playmates over at www.thefinalphase.org are loons. For the uninitiated - that particular forum includes phoney Freepers who post on here, stir up trouble, and then slam Jim Robinson and others on their own site. One of them poses on FR as a "Polish" citizen, when in reality he's from California. Another is a so-called "college" student who cannot come up with any real contributions to any discussions other than glib sloganeering and pictures of Putin in various "Soviet" motifs. I've even posted complete b.s. I made up about the Russians on that wacky site and you guys fell for it hook, line, and sinker - no research, no verification - you wanted to believe rubbish and you did.
You guys don't have a clue about real world analysis, the strengths and weaknesses of the Russian Federation - their Armed Forces, paramilitary, interior troops, or the other problems facing them. You cannot even see the only immediate threat the Russian Federation poses is to itself.
You also deny the Reagan legacy - in short you call the Reagan legacy phoney, null and void - quite in line with the Strobe Talbotts of the world. Hillary Clinton, Howard Dean, Michael Moore, Sean Penn and others should join your little website. Like minds and whatnot.
It's quite possible Golytsin was the most successful disinformation campaign the Soviet Union ever engaged in during the Cold War. His arrival and efforts are said to have paralyzed the CIA.
He's as despicable as Ion Pacepa, Jan Sejna (deceased) and Oleg Kalugin - charlatons who feed on paranoia to earn a comfortable living. There are plenty of living Czechs and Romanians, and Russians who can bear witness to their direct involvement in communist crimes and repression - but you guys hold these thugs up as heros. These thugs only fled after they were about to lose all of their power and wealth they stole as part of the communist elite. They prosper today because they tell you EXACTLY what you want to hear. Even if what they say defies logic and reason and reality.
Don't you find it a little too convinient that these phonies appear during whatever "crisis" the world is facing and paint themselves as having deep inside information about what's actually going on DESPITE BEING DECLARED TRAITORS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES??? Do you actually believe they are able to maintain contact with "former" colleagues who then let them in on the "latest and greatest" secrets?
It's also no coincidence Golytsin wormed his way to Angleton - after all Angleton's confidant, British traitor Kim Philby, was probably providing the Soviets with info on Angleton's paranoia, etc. Golytsin was able to use it by stating, "those who defect after me will be charlatons, feeding you false information, and trying to discredit me." Angleton fell for it because he was mentally disturbed, or a willing participant - Philby's defection weighing heavy on his mind. Golytsin used this quite well during the Cold War - quite to the delight, probably, of his KGB masters. With the end of the Cold War Golystin had to continue his false prophecy because he needed to earn a living. How does he do it? Find morons who are willing to believe ludicrous "predictions" that defy logic and reality. Congrats.
The Cold War probably would have ended earlier if true defectors weren't discounted because of your "prophet" KGB agent Golytsin.
Now you guys play right into the hands of retired Soviet "Cold Warriors" who want to push Russia and the United States back into confrontation to soothe their hurt pride and wounded ego. Some of these guys work as "consultants" in Russia and point to the moronic "Soviet Union hasn't died, Russia is still our biggest threat" crowd and paint you as way more influential than you actually are in order to steer Russia into countering the US. Luckily, unlike in Russia, our leadership hasn't fallen into this trap.
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Not really. Putin is a communist with an image team and a makeover.
Please inform us, who is that person? We also would like to read how you back your claim? I’m personally dying from curiosity :)
According to Riebling, 139 out of 148 of Golitsyn's predictions came true by 1993. You have yet to specifically address Riebling's claim. Instead, you have chosen to engage in character assassination. This is a tactic of the Left and highly suspect.
The hatred of Golitsyn is part of the Intelligence community's intentional ignorance of the Russian/Chinese threat. It is seen as un-PC and bad for the markets to call those two countries enemies. Also, because the intel agencies have been gutted, they have their hands full dealing with the WOT, so there is not enough intel agents to go around when it comes time to deal with the Russians/Chinese. Even North Korea does not get the same coverage that Al Queida gets.
First thing's first...
Reagan's legacy nearly uncovered the Russian plan, as Russia almost did genuinely collapse. The Soviets only held power through the control of the Russian, Belarussian, and Kazak militaries, and their police (FSB, SVR, Belarus KGB, ect). Some also held seats on the Duma with different party facades, and also owned various businesses. It was not until Putin took power that the Soviets returned to power in Russia and all hope to properly correct the Russian problem was lost.
Second thing's second...
If Russia has totally abandoned Communism, why is Lenin still on display and a Russian Communist Party? Why did Putin have a giant Soviet throwback day last year during the anniversary of the end of the Great Patriotic War? Why have Soviet criminals been allowed to go free? And finally, why is a KGB agent in charge of Russia?
Hardly surprising now that we know the CIA is full of communists and Baghdad Bob's.
Lol. Now it is the Chinese keeping America afloat. Why would any good financial mind avoid the safest government debt around?
Predictions based on what would happen is not the same as saying there was a plan in place to cause those happenings.
Anyone believing the USSR decided to dismember itself, reduce its role in the world and to remove the CP monopoly on political power as part of a deep, plot to become stronger apparently would believe anything.
Russia has national interests which are not necessarily ideological so some of its subsequent behavior should be viewed from the perspective of Nationalism rather than Communism.
You don't need Golitsyn to see the threat that Putin poses to the West.
Selling weapons to Islamofascist countries is NOT in Russia's "National" intrests.
CIA=Central Incompentence Agency
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