To: TheSuaveOne
Removing someone with this type of training because of their sexual preference is "weakening" our military. Keeping gays out of the military is "weakening" our military.
I'm sorry you missed the logic in that...la
I didnt miss any of your logic. Your argument isnt sound. For an argument in logic to be sound, it must be based on true premises as well as valid reasoning. Your posits fail to pass the test.
Sexual preference is a meaningless term. No one can know any other persons sexual preference without some action on the other persons part, i.e., what goes on in your head remains unknown unless you speak or act on it. Therefore, no one can be removed from the military on the basis of sexual preference, alone.
If there is an action, then that action is subject to regulation or restriction based upon the law. For example, if a man has a sexual preference toward rape, but never acts on it, then he is not subject to any sanction of law. However, the minute he commits rape, i.e, takes action, then he is correctly subject to arrest, trial, and possible incarceration or worse.
Let me get down to the specifics at hand: if a person has a, so-called, sexual preference toward members of the same sex, but does nothing, then that person is subject to no adverse actions whatsoever. On the other hand, if that person openly admits (tells) of a same-sex predilection and sexual activities, i.e., actions, then sanctions based upon the law are correctly forthcoming and appropriate.
Now, to address the other portion of your illogical assertion: Removing those military members who are caught violating the UCMJ, is not weakening the military. Rather such action is actually strengthening it.
In the military, the success or failure of everything from a squad level assault to a theater campaign is predicated upon military members executing lawful orders (both standing orders as well as others) promptly and precisely. Anything that interferes with any military members ability and the proper discipline required to execute these orders is detrimental and weakens the military. The inability of queers to refrain from engaging in homosexual activities when standing orders (the UCMJ) prohibit such is proof positive that these individuals lack the required military discipline. Therefore, the logic is inescapable: their existence in the military without refraining from engaging in homosexual activities weakens the military.
I trust this exposition has clarified the issue for you.
To: Lucky Dog
"On the other hand, if that person openly admits (tells) of a same-sex predilection and sexual activities, i.e., actions, then sanctions based upon the law are correctly forthcoming and appropriate.
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Ah yes, because admitting (telling) someone that they are or have had sexual relations of someone of the same sex is a valid reason to remove someone from the military. [/sarcasm]...la
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