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Songs of the Simpleminded
Logic Times ^ | 5-28-2006 | Dan Hallagan

Posted on 05/28/2006 4:07:58 PM PDT by Logic Times

Songs of the Simpleminded

Opposition to all war makes no distinction between the combatants. The nation that invades another to steal wealth and kill women and children is no more reprehensible than the nation that sets down its pots and plows and takes up arms to defend those women and children. After all, both are at war, and war, what is it good for, absolutely nothing. What must underpin the logic of anti-war songs is a belief that no one possesses the moral credibility to take up arms, to pass judgment on the actions of another. If nations are or have ever been guilty of aggression or imperialism or less-than-pure geopolitical maneuvering, than no side in a war is right and no side is wrong. Moral relativism writ large.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: memorial; memorialday; sacrifice; soldiers
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1 posted on 05/28/2006 4:08:00 PM PDT by Logic Times
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To: Logic Times
Unfortunately, this message persists and helps to legitimize dissent. Not the rare but essential dissent of a free nation reigning in rogue leaders, but the weak and shifty 60s dissent that encourages the enemy to kill one more American in the hope that his or her death will bring back Vietnam and make victory possible (see War and Dissent).

On this Memorial Day weekend where we remember the sacrifices of our soldiers, let’s set aside the childishness of such songs and raise our voices in a new refrain:

Last night I had the strangest dream

I ever dreamed before

I dreamed the world had all agreed

To fight evil evermore

2 posted on 05/28/2006 4:14:33 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: Jet Jaguar
war, what is it good for

The original title of "War And Peace"

3 posted on 05/28/2006 4:17:45 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Logic Times
The old,"Who are we to judge others?" manta which translates to, "Leave me to my own licentiousness so I don't have to worry about whether there is a God, or not." Liberalism which fears judgement for its own sins.
4 posted on 05/28/2006 4:18:27 PM PDT by Socratic ("I'll have the roast duck with the mango salsa.")
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To: Socratic

Hmm.. That whole who are we to judge others thing sounds a bit familiar, where did I hear that before?

"Judge not, lest ye be judged."

Oh yeah.. right..


5 posted on 05/28/2006 4:24:11 PM PDT by AbsoluteAwesome
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To: AbsoluteAwesome
Four days, five posts, and it's obvious that you're a libertarian.

Try this hypo: someone breaks into your house, bradishing a knife. You have a gun. He threatens to kill you and your whole family, and then charges. You have a chance to blow out a kneecap or something. Not kill him, just wound him enough to prevent him from hurting anyone. Are you "just as bad as him" if you do so?

Pacifism and moral relativism would say yes.

6 posted on 05/28/2006 4:32:55 PM PDT by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: Logic Times

I heard on the radio that Iraq was "another unpopular war" (as was Vietnam).


I assume that means Kosovo and Afghanistan were popular wars


7 posted on 05/28/2006 4:37:51 PM PDT by woofie (Another actor with political ideas.................John Wilkes Booth)
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To: Graybeard58

I met an E-5 this past weekend and she had a bracelet on her wrist and she states that she won't take it off until Matt Maupin is found and returned safely.


8 posted on 05/28/2006 4:55:07 PM PDT by GulfWar1Vet (Each day is Memorial Day for the U.S. Armed Forces.)
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To: Gordongekko909

Well I say no. If he is going to attack you or your family you have a right to defend yourself. Hell breaking into your house and brandishing a weapon is enough of a reason to shoot him.

In the situation you described putting a bullet between his eyes would be more than justified.


9 posted on 05/28/2006 5:01:22 PM PDT by AbsoluteAwesome
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To: Logic Times

The only wartime song that affected me was "Life During Wartime" by the Talking Heads. I joined. I didn't run away. The song still haunts me when I here it.


10 posted on 05/28/2006 5:06:54 PM PDT by wizr (John 3:16 & 17)
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To: AbsoluteAwesome

libs don't think so....


11 posted on 05/28/2006 5:09:53 PM PDT by GW and Twins Pawpaw (Sheepdog for Five [My grandkids are way more important than any lefty's feelings!])
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To: AbsoluteAwesome
"Judge not, lest ye be judged." "

You have to understand the way "judging" is used in the Bible. The perfect example is Jonah.

After Jonah refused to preach to Ninevah he was swallowed by the fish for three days until he repented and agreed to go, but that's where the story really gets interesting.

Ninevah repents and Jonah is angry because Jonah felt Ninevah deserved to be destroyed. Jonah didn't want Ninevah to be convicted of their sins. Jonah didn't want God to extend mercy to them. Jonah had judged them in his heart to be unworthy of God's grace.

Do you see the difference? It wasn't wrong for Jonah to go to Ninevah and tell them they were doing wrong, in fact God commanded that. It wasn't wrong for Jonah to tell them they were going to be destroyed, for that's what God had said. What was wrong was for Jonah to refuse to go tell Ninevah, and to be angry when Ninevah did repent.

The Bible tells us to discern the spirits. It tells us to "rebuke our neighbor frankly so that we do not share in his sin." God told Elijah that if "I say the wicked will die in his sin and you do open your mouth to warn him, then I will hold you accountable for his blood."

You see God calls us to an active love. Live and let die is not a Christian motto. Love must speak out against wrongs. Love must warn the wicked to turn from their ways. Love must tell people about Jesus.

To fail to do that, is to fail to love. It is selfish to worry about what other's think of you when they are headed for hell and you aren't. It is selfish to avoid conflict by avoiding the truth when it allows the other person to go to their destruction unwarned.

12 posted on 05/28/2006 5:15:59 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: GulfWar1Vet

My son Steve, F.R. name "smaagee", served in the same unit in Iraq with Matt. Steve came home on Thanksgiving day 2004, Matt didn't. My tag line will remain as long as he is unaccounted for.


13 posted on 05/28/2006 5:16:26 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: AbsoluteAwesome

I suppose, then, that this means that I can judge. I suppose further that this means that although I have judged and will therefore be judged, I shouldn't have a problem with it, seeing as how I will be judged innocent?


14 posted on 05/28/2006 5:17:36 PM PDT by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: Gordongekko909

I suppose so.. Though protecting your property and family is quite different than judging people based on lifestyles that differ from yours (or ideologies that differ from yours for that matter) though that is best saved for another thread..


15 posted on 05/28/2006 5:22:25 PM PDT by AbsoluteAwesome
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To: AbsoluteAwesome

Would you defend your defenseless neighbor, before or after, the intruder came into your home?


16 posted on 05/28/2006 5:24:13 PM PDT by Treader (Human convenience is always on the edge of a breakthrough, or a sellout)
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To: Treader

Before if I knew he would attack, obviously. Though I would not just shoot a man on the street who had done nothing. If I had reason to believe he would attack my neighbor I would call the police and warn my neighbor.


17 posted on 05/28/2006 5:28:27 PM PDT by AbsoluteAwesome
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To: Treader

I've told a couple of libs that since they don't like guns and think they're 'bad', I would never raise my weapon in their defense (since I didn't want to 'offend' them) and then they get all snippy!!!


18 posted on 05/28/2006 5:31:22 PM PDT by GW and Twins Pawpaw (Sheepdog for Five [My grandkids are way more important than any lefty's feelings!])
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To: AbsoluteAwesome

Regardless of my poorly worded question- you still responded. Thanks.


19 posted on 05/28/2006 5:39:56 PM PDT by Treader (Human convenience is always on the edge of a breakthrough, or a sellout)
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To: GW and Twins Pawpaw

Ain't that the way of some folks? Yet, no matter, we would still defend them in the reality of such misfortune. Keep the Faith & God Bless ya, FRiend!


20 posted on 05/28/2006 5:48:51 PM PDT by Treader (Human convenience is always on the edge of a breakthrough, or a sellout)
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