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To: NormsRevenge

I thought hydrogen was to be used in a fuel cell, and not an internal cumbustion engine.


4 posted on 05/19/2006 10:07:46 PM PDT by StACase
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To: StACase

nope, its combustible, and highly so.

BMW is doing pretty well with hydrogen combustion engines.

check it out...

http://www.worldcarfans.com/news.cfm?newsid=2040920.001&bmw=1.html/country/gcf


6 posted on 05/19/2006 10:10:52 PM PDT by Zeppelin (Texas Longhorns === National Champions !!!)
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To: StACase

There's a reason why the Internal combustion engine is still the basic design after 125 years. It can be modified in innumerable ways.


7 posted on 05/19/2006 10:13:40 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: StACase

hydrogen is the panacea of the left


9 posted on 05/19/2006 10:15:27 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: StACase

FRom their home page, They are doing 'it'.

http://www.hydrogenenginecenter.com/

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12 posted on 05/19/2006 10:23:29 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - "The Road to Peace in the Middle East runs thru Damascus.")
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To: StACase

A fuel cell/electric motor combination is certainly the most efficient way to obtain motive power from hydrogen - probably twice the output of any internal combustion engine burning hydrogen in air.

Hydrogen is easy to use as fuel, but expensive and difficult to extract, store, transport, and distribute. Hydrogen cannot be liquified at any temperature above MINUS 400 F, a very expensive temperature to reach and maintain. Cryogenic storage and distribution is not practical, so we are left with chemical storage or compressed hydrogen gas.

As the lightest molecule in existence, gaseous hydrogen can leak through almost anything, including solid steel. Increased pressure means increased leakage. Also, hydrogen gas is explosive in air at a mixture of as little as 8 percent. Monitoring and venting will be critical. Also, distributing a gas is far different from distributing a liquid. Is the distribution system at a high or a low pressure? As a gas expands, it cools; as it is compressed, it heats. Allowing gas to flow from a hi-pressure supply tank into an empty vehicle tank is energy intensive. And it would have to be pumped into the tank, because if the supply pressure were low your vehicle tank would not be filled. And how do you measure the fuel?

Let's consider the standard for the energy content of vehicle fuel, which clearly is gasoline. But gasoline has a secondary characteristic - it is nature's method for storing hydrogen at a density not found elsewhere in nature anywhere closer than 90,000,000 miles from here - (the Sun). The average molecule in gasoline is almost 16% hydrogen, over 40% greater than water. In fact, in order to match the number of hydrogen atoms per gallon of gasoline, gaseous hydrogen would have to be pressurized to over 19,000 PSI in the same volume. HALF that pressure is remarkable.

So I believe that the only practical way to use gaseous hydrogen as a common vehicle fuel will be by tank exchange, using standardized tanks. That is how most of us buy fuel for a gas grill today.

But I don't think we will do that. I think that the fuel of the future will be ... GASOLINE! Perhaps we will no longer be able to find the crude oil we make it from today, but we will make it from other sources of carbon, hydrogen, and energy, and distribute it the same way we do today.


60 posted on 05/20/2006 7:32:10 AM PDT by MainFrame65
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